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Breaking Form: a Poetry and Culture Podcast
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Breaking Form: a Poetry and Culture Podcast

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James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith talk about their favorite poems and poets, interview amazing writers, laugh a lot, gossip, and get real about life and art.

James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith talk about their favorite poems and poets, interview amazing writers, laugh a lot, gossip, and get real about life and art.

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Boy in Video Arcade

The queens talk about writing through sadness and grief in order to move forward and gain a different vantage point.  Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: Take a look at the Tracey Emin sculpture "My Bed." It was sold at auction by Christie’s in July 2014 for £2.5 million to German collector Count Christian Duerckheim. Read Larry Levis's poem "Boy in Video Arcade" Read Dickinson's 670 ("One Need not be a Chamber to be Haunted"). For more variations she included on the fascicle, visit the Emily Dickinson Online archive at Harvard's Houghton Library here.  In an interview with Melanie Brooks and published in Creative Nonfiction (Winter 2017), Mark Doty says about grief: "It was like just pushing my way up this very tall, spirally staircase. I'd write and cry and write and cry and write and cry." Read the essay here (jstor access required).
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Say Yes to the Dress

Dress shopping is cardio & life for the Breaking Form fashionistas.  Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: Paul Tran's "Provenance" appeared first February 22/March 1, 2021 issue of The Nation and was included in All the Flowers Kneeling, which was published by Penguin in 2022 and was a finalist for the 2023 PEN Open Book Award and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award. Visit Tran's website here: https://iampaultran.com/ The poem "'What Do Women Want?'" is from Kim Addonizio's Tell Me (2000) Read "Boy in a Stolen Evening Gown" by Saeed Jones Read "Esta Noche" by Mark Doty The poem we read of Allison Benis White's is from “Please Bury Me in This” [Maybe my arms lifted ...]" In recollection of a first memory in A Sketch of the Past, Virginia Woolf wrote: "My mother would come out onto her balcony in a white dressing gown. There were passion flowers growing on the wall; they were great starry blossoms, with purple streaks, and large green buds, part empty, part full." Read torrin a. greathouse's "Ekphrasis on My Rapist's Wedding Dress" and visit their website: https://www.torringreathouse.com/ Read Victoria Chang's "OBIT [The Blue Dress]" from her 2020 book, Obit. You can watch Chang read from Obit here (~43 min).   
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Horsepower (with Special Guest Joy Priest)

Get set for a poetry gabfest for the ages! The fabulous Joy Priest joins us for the Breaking Form Interview. Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: Buy Joy's prizewinning collection of poems, Horsepower, from the University of Pittsburgh Press here or from Loyalty Books, a  Black, Queer, and Asian owned independent bookstore in DC. Visit Joy Priest's website: https://www.joypriest.com You can see Joy reading from her work here, here, and here. Or read this interview with her here. Read Joy's ode to Whitney Houston, "When I See the Stars in the Night Sky" Nikky Finney won the 2011 National Book Award for her book Head Off and Split. Watch her iconic speech here.  Read more about American Honey, a film by Andrea Arnold starring Sasha Lane We mention a few forms, including the Abecedarian and the Sestina. Click the links for more information about them.  Poets we mention: Emily Dickinson and Poem 269 ("Wild nights!") Hear poet Jane Kenyon read her poem "Otherwise." Donald Hall Terrance Hayes Ross Gay Louise Glück's "Anniversary"                    
Art and literature 2 weeks
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James Went to AWP (2026)

The queens kindly request your presence for some piping hot tea as they recap the AWP Conference in Baltimore.  Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: James posted some AWP tips on Facebook here.  For the curious, AWP has posted its "Community Participation in #AWP26 Conference & Bookfair" stats here. The journals mentioned on the "Editing for Change and Community" panel were: Small Orange edited by Carlie Hoffman. Carlie's poems were included in our Breaking Form episode "The Hof[f]man[n]s" which you can listen to here. Georgia Review edited by Gerald Maa.  Brink edited by Nina Lohman  Hopkins Review edited by Dora Malech Cherry Tree: A National Literary Journal at Washington College, by James.  AWP has said it will post the video of John Waters's keynote address for conference registrants to view, but we can't find it yet. But if you're curious, here's a written recap of the event by Baltimore Fishbowl. You can find The Adroit Journal online at  https://theadroitjournal.org. They're open for submissions currently (til April 1, 2026). They are a paying market.     
Art and literature 3 weeks
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The Wild Iris: A Breaking Form Revisit

That which you call death, the queens remember in this episode that revisits The Wild Iris, Louise Glück's Pulitzer-Prize winning volume from 1992. Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: While the recording released by the Academy of American Poets of Glück reading from The Wild Iris and other work can be purchased online, you can also hear many of these poems read on SoundCloud here.   Much of our information about Glück's process comes from this interview with the poet Devin Becker, who was also her former student. Read Richie Hofmann's remembrance here.   Some of the poems from The Wild Iris that we mention (and links to read them) are: Witchgrass The Red Poppy Clear Morning The Garden Vespers Retreating Light The White Lilies, which you can hear read by Glück here. We also mention the poem "Purple Bathing Suit" from Meadowlands, the book which follows The Wild Iris.  Louise' Glücks astrological chart is here. (Taurus sun, Leo rising, Scorpio moon.) Watch interviews with Glück: 1982, for Kalliope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAB-JqABvq8 2004, at Smith College: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw0nlVYZ39A  2012, Academy of Achievement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1rpGy8XRzU  2016, with Peter Streckfus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeoaLNGy_Ms 2020, for NYPL with Colm Tóibín, on writing The Wild Iris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3kQGM_KhHQ
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Fum*ble*cunk: Victorian Slang

What nanty narking our Reginas have with some slang from the Victorian era.  Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: Marilyn Nelson's poem in The New Yorker that Aaron was thinking of is "Pigeon and Hawk." Poets we mention include (with a poem by each): Marie Howe Cleopatra Mathis Linda Gregg Lucie Brock-Broido Adrienne Rich Yvor Winters Frank O'Hara Anna Akhmatova Lynn Melnick Mary Jo Bang Jean Valentines, "Ghost Elephants" Larry Levis and Aaron's poem "Elegy" which references Levis's "The Smell of the Sea" James Merrill Brenda Hillman Richard Howard Shaon Olds Henry David Thoreau Laura Kasischke Lucille Clifton Aracelis Girmay Kenneth Koch Rupi Kaur Jacques J. Rancourt Terrance Hayes
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Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?

The queens read for filth another toxic masculinist article before we play a saucy game based on a gay novel.  Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: Heather Christle's post sparked this episode's discussion and can be found here. Christle's most recent book of poetry is Paper Crown (Wesleyan UP, August 2025) While there isn't an out gay character in Dead Poets Society, there is some gay-coded stuff going on. Read Kaeya Merchant's fabulous essay on the topic: "Dead Poets Society is Queer; Here’s Why"  The Garth Greenwell essay on Andrew Holleran's Dancer from the Dance which Aaron references was also published in the Yale Review. Check out Garth's website at https://www.garthgreenwell.com At the end of the show, we quote the line "What did you think, that joy was some slight thing?" which is from Mark Doty's "Visitation" Other poems or poets we reference are: Garret Hongo's "What For" e.e. cummings, "somewhere I have never travelled, gladly beyond" David Bottoms, "Sign for My Father, Who Stressed the Bunt" A.E. Stallings, "Sea Girls" Jorie Graham, "At Luca Signorelli's Resurrection of the Body" Emily Dickinson, Poem 591
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Rimshot

"Dawns are heartbreaking," as is the queer love story of Arthur Rimbaud & Paul Verlaine. Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Show Notes: Paul Verlaine was born in 1844. Read more about him here. Verlaine was an Aries sun, Leo Moon, and Scorpio ascendant. Arthur Rimbaud was born on October 20, 1854, and you can read more about him here. Rimbaud was a triple Libra (sun, moon, ascendant).  Rimbaud met Verlaine in September 1871, a month before his 18th birthday. Following his tumultuous relationship with Paul Verlaine, which ended in 1873, Rimbaud traveled extensively through Europe, often on foot. He became a trader/merchant, selling coffee, hides, and eventually guns, becoming a "soldier of fortune." In 1891, a tumor developed on his right knee and forced him to return to Paris and died later that year at 37, without knowing how popular his poems had become in Symbolist circles.  The gun Verlaine used to shoot Rimbaud recently went up for auction. One of the poems Rimbaud sent to Verlaine in 1871 was "Le Dormer du Val," which you can watch recited as part of the Favorite Poem Project here. (Recited by chef Jacques Pépin.)  Rimbaud and Verlaine wrote a collaborative poem, "Sonnet to the Asshole" which you can read (and read about) here.   In 2016, the poet Eileen Myles told The New York Times, "I think men should stop writing books. I think men should stop making movies or television. Say, for 50 to 100 years. Sounds great." Read the interview here. When we reference "tongue in the butt," we are talking about a segment from an early Breaking Form season 1 show called "Bad Animals." Check it out here, and hit the 14:30 mark.  If you've never read Flannery O'Connor's short story "A Good Man Is Hard to Find," stop what you're doing and read it here.
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Lucille Clifton

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.   Show Notes: Read the London Review of Books praising Aracelis Girmay's volume, How to Carry Water: Selected Poems by Lucille Clifton.  Watch Girmay read Clifton's poem "praise song." Learn more about Lucille Clifton here, here, and here.  Explore more about The Clifton House, and learn more about Clifton's life in Baltimore.  Watch Debby Boone sing her 1977 hit, "You Light Up My Life"  Listen to Deborah Ann Gibson sing "On My Own" from Les Misérables.  Here is the trailer for Boxing Helena, directed by Jennifer Lynch. Read more about the friendship between Toni Morrison and James Baldwin. For more about Clifton's children's book series, Everett Anderson, read here. Here is a partial list of the poems we read and discuss on the show: "my friends" "a poem written for many moynihans" "5/23/67 RIP" (for Langston Hughes) "alabama 9/15/63" (which appeared in a 1999 special folio of Callalo) "jasper Texas 1998" in Ploughshares Issue #78 Spring 1999 https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49491/jasper-texas-1998 "If I should (to clark kent)" "further note to clark" "hag riding" "to my last period"  
Art and literature 2 months
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The Eras: a Poetry Tour

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. NOTES: Gwendolyn Brooks published "The Bean Eaters" in Poetry Magazine in 1959. Check out the video of this interview with Gwendolyn Brooks.  Here is Sylvia Plath's "Aftermath." Listen to this October 1962 interview with Plath by Peter Orr for the British Council.  Read Gary Soto's "Avocado Lake."  Linda Pastan published her poem "Waiting Room" in the October 1984 issue of Poetry.  Here's Suji Kwok Kim's "Occupation" which appeared in the July 1994 Poetry. Here is a 2008 reading by Kim (~28 min). Watch Cher introduce her song "Just Like Jesse James" during her Farewell Tour. Read "The Speed of Darkness" by Muriel Rukeyser.
Art and literature 2 months
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Hap

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.  James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. NOTES: Read "Hap" by Thomas Hardy. And watch a here's a video enactment/reading of "Hap" by Thomas Hardy. And watch a reading/enactment of the poem here.  Read a terrific essay about Hardy's poem published by the Thomas Hardy Society here.  Thomas Hardy wrote 947 poems, and you can read them all online here.   For more about Taylor Swift's newest album's variations, read this piece in Vareity. Tom Brady does not have a brother who plays football.  Gayle King interviewed Heated Rivalry star Hudson Williams at the Golden Globes. See the viral-video exchange here.  Here's a reddit thread on being rejected on Christmas Eve.  
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I Am a Receptical (A Poetry Salon)

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Show Notes: We read poems by Amy Lowell and Jubi Arriola-Headley Check out Jubi Arriola-Headley's website here, and an obituary here.  Learn more about Amy Lowell here: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amy-lowell
Art and literature 3 months
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François Sagat (A Poetry Salon)

Happy New Year! Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Show Notes: We read poems by Giada Scodellaro and Natalie Louise Tombasco. Check out Giada Scodellaro's website here: https://giadascodellaro.com/ Check out Natalie Louise Tombasco's website: https://natalielouisetombasco.com/
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Vitamin D (A Poetry Salon)

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Show Notes: We read poems by Kelli Russell Agodon and Afaa Michael Weaver. Learn more about Afaa Michael Weaver here: https://www.theshipmanagency.com/afaa-michael-weaver Check out Kelli Russell Agodon's website: https://www.agodon.com/index.html
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Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ral (A Poetry Salon)

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Show Notes: We read poems by Jonterri Gadson & Patrica Traxler Check out Jonterri Gadson's website: https://www.jonterrigadson.com/ You can read more about Patricia Traxler on this Wikipedia page.
Art and literature 3 months
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Knight Him (A Poetry Salon)

Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Show Notes: We read poems by Mary Helen Callier & Virginia Chase Sutton Check out Mary Helen Callier's website: https://maryhelencallier.com/ Check out Virginia Chase Sutton's website: https://www.virginiachasesutton.com/
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That Moon Will Kill Me (A Poetry Salon)

That Moon Will Kill Me (A Poetry Salon)
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All Tops

Nerd tops, dom tops, soft tops: the queens go gaga over a discussion of their top poems by favorite poets.  Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. SHOW NOTES: Poems and poets discussed in this episode include: Sharon Olds: "The Race"; "Topography"; "First"  Louise Glück: "Widows"; "Celestial Music"; "The Mirror" (text); "The Mirror" (audio only); "Parable of the Dove" Jorie Graham: "Masaccio's Expulsion"; "At Luca Signorelli's Resurrection of the Dead"; "Salmon"  Mark Doty: "Visitation"; "Lament-Heaven"  Vijay Seshadri: "The Disappearances" & an essay about the poem here.  Linda Gregg: "Summer in a Small Town"; "Sigismundo"; "Let Birds"; "We Manage Most When We Manage Small" Etheridge Knight: "Feeling Fucked Up"  C. Dale Young: "Torn"; check out this review of the book by Dilruba Ahmed in Kenyon Review here.
Art and literature 4 months
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OnlyForms

Let's get trioleted, girls! The queens delve into some fun poetic forms. Please Support Breaking Form! Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Watch TLC's music video for "No Scrubs"  Discover more about Jehanne Dubrow's The Arranged Marriage, about which Claudia Rankine writes,"The poet here is positioned to observe, to picture, and to record in order to communicate coherence in the face of incoherence." Aaron reads: Sonia Sanchez "Haiku and Tanka for Harriet Tubman." Learn more about Tubman here.   Read  Agha Shahid Ali's ghazal, "Tonight". Shahid died in 2001.  Here's more about the triolet.  For a few examples of the form, here's Gabriel Fried's "Parenting Triolet" and Rachel Hadas's "Fortress"  Read more about the Golden Shovel here, and read Terrance Hayes's "Golden Shovel."  Read more about the Duplex, or watch Jericho Brown explain it here. Read Jericho Brown's "Duplex" or watch him read the poem here.    
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