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Stories with depth, insight & data covering all things Web3.
For builders. By builders. www.decentralised.co
Stories with depth, insight & data covering all things Web3.
For builders. By builders. www.decentralised.co
Zynga's Founder Justin Waldron
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The conversation with Justin Waldron, co-founder of Zynga and now founder of Open Game Protocol, is a masterclass in how distribution models evolve in games and how Web3 could power the next one.
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EP 47 — Solving the AI Curation Problem with Andrew Hill from Recall
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AI agents are cheap to launch and impossible to trust. This episode is for people building and backing growth-stage crypto startups: how do you pick between thousands of on-chain “trading bots,” research assistants, and execution agents when most collapse in live conditions? Andrew Hill, CEO of Recall, lays out how Recall is trying to become crypto’s neutral trust layer for agents with live competitions, skill markets, and a ranking system you can actually underwrite.
Key Moments
00:00:00 - Introduction to Recall
00:01:26 - Introduction to Andrew Hill and Recall
00:01:45 - The Need for a Curation Layer for AI Models
00:03:08 - Recall's Vision and Functioning
00:05:26 - The Role of Competitions in Recall
00:10:45 - The Future of Recall and AI Agents
00:15:26 - Demand for Agentic Systems in Trading
00:17:47 - The Evolution of AI Agents and Their Capabilities
00:20:17 - The Growing Role of AI Agents in Crypto Trading
00:26:51 - The Approach to Evaluating Subjective Skills
00:28:29 - The Behavior of AI Models
00:32:45 - The Role of Curators and Boosters in Recall
00:36:11 - The Future of AI Evaluation and Alignment
00:41:05 - The Role of Recall's Token in the AI Marketplace
00:43:38 - Revenue Lines for Recall
00:45:41 - The Role of Human Judges in Recall
00:48:11 - Challenges for Agent Builders and Future Prospects
00:49:08 - Potential Risks and Fears for Recall
00:49:20 - The Battle of Decentralized vs Centralized Intelligence
00:50:43 - The Future of AI Agents and Complex Tasks
00:51:19 - The Threat of a Single, All-Powerful Agent
00:52:13 - Recall's Achievements and What to Look Forward To
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Ep 46 — Turning a Dead NFT Collection into a $50M Empire ft. Luca Netz
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In this episode, Luca Netz shares how he took a failing NFT collection and turned it into one of the fastest-growing Web3 brands. We dive into his three-pillar model of ecosystem, attention, and revenue; and explore how Pudgy has sold over 1.5M toys through Walmart and Target, signed 45+ licensing deals, and built a business where culture and cash flow compound.In the episode, talk about:
• How 80% of Pudgy’s revenue comes from licensing (45+ active deals)
• Why arcade machines, toys, and games beat token drops in driving brand value
• What “tokenized culture” actually means—and how it becomes a moat
• The future of consumer crypto and Luca’s bet on Abstract’s Portal
• Why the next big crypto success might not feel like crypto at all
• How to fix crypto’s broken consumer journey
• How to turn IP into retail + social currency without losing the core community.
Chapters
0:00 – Intro
2:45 – Tokenising Culture, Memes & Influence
10:48 - The role of speculation
15:30 – The Three Pillars of Crypto Value: Ecosystem, Attention & Revenue
21:55 – The Pudgy Playbook: Community, Marketing & $50M Revenue
27:56 – What Luca knew when he bid $2.5 million on Pudgy IP
30:45 – What's Broken in Consumer Crypto
38:20 – Fixing Onboarding: Abstract Portal & The Future of Adoption
49:43 – Building for Gen Z & Gen Alpha
51:10 – Lessons from $PENGU Airdrop
54:09 – Is Token a Product?
If you want to know more about Luca, we recently published a story on him here — https://www.thetokendispatch.com/p/the-luca-netz-story
👥 Guest: Luca Netz – CEO at Pudgy Penguins and Igloo
Twitter: https://x.com/LucaNetz 🎙️
Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
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EP 45 — Making Debt Move Faster with Androo and Andy from HypurrFi
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We sit down with Androo and Andy from HypurrFi who are building at the intersection of on-chain credit and real-world usability.While most DeFi protocols treat borrowing as a one-time action, HypurrFi is making debt dynamic. Think refinancing, real-time spending, and routing capital across markets—without closing your position.
We cover:
— Why HypurrFi is focused on active debt management
— How they're using USDXL (a synthetic dollar) as a programmable debt rail
— Why their on-chain card integration changes how crypto holders can spend
— How they’re thinking about traders, tax-advantaged holders, and capital efficiency
— Why building on Hyperliquid gives them a unique edge, and what the challenges are
— What “debt servicing” really means (and how it differs from basic lending)
Timestamps —
00:00: Introduction
01:30 Backgrounds
02:00: The Hyperliquid Ecosystem
10:20: "Everyone Is Coming" Thesis
20:00: HyperFi's Core Products & Vision
32:00: The Card & The Philosophy of Debt
46:00: Debt Servicing
58:00: Competition
👥 Guest:
Androo Lloyd – Co-Founder at HypurrFi
Twitter: https://x.com/androolloyd
Andy – Head of Growth at HypurrFi
Twitter: https://x.com/andyhyfi
🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
Twitter: https://x.com/desh_saurabh
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Ep 44 — How to Stake HYPE Permissionlessly with Omnia from Kinetiq
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Kinetiq co-founder and Hyperliquid contributor Omnia joins to unpack how Hyperliquid evolved from a DEX into a liquidity layer, what HIPs unlock, and why apps like Phantom and Kinetiq are treating it as default.
Chapters —
00:00 Podcast Opening & Disclaimer
00:19 Kinetic's Launch & Market Context
03:20 Hyperliquid's Core Thesis
11:33 Hyperliquid Technical Architecture
20:30 Understanding Hyperliquid Improvement Proposals (HIPs)
36:10 Kinetiq's Staking Solutions & Platform Decentralisation
46:06 Custody and Compliant Staking on Hyperliquid
01:01:24 Builder Codes and On-Chain Asset Growth
👥 Guest: Omnia – Co-founder at Kinetiq Twitter: https://x.com/0xOmnia
🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast Twitter: https://x.com/desh_saurabh
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Ep 43 — Why it's not NAV but Native Yield with Leah and Max from Sol Strategies
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While everyone's been copying MicroStrategy's Bitcoin strategy, Sol Strategies took a different approach. CEO Leah Wald and CTO Max Kaplan join me to discuss why they're building actual infrastructure around Solana instead of just holding tokens. Sol Strategies is a publicly listed company (CSE: HODL) - formerly Cypherpunk Holdings - that transformed from one of the first Bitcoin treasury vehicles in North America into a comprehensive Solana infrastructure company.
Sol Strategies now manages more than $500 million worth of SOL through its validators.
🎯 Inside the Episode:
• Why Sol Strategies chose Solana over Bitcoin & Ethereum
• How they generate yield through staking & validators
• Why native yield changes everything for crypto treasury companies
• Why premium to NAV won't last forever (and what comes next)
• The future of tokenised stocks and Solana DeFi
• Why institutional investors are finally paying attention
• Breakdown of Solana's performance vs. Hyperliquid
• What will change with new Solana validator clients like Firedancer & Alpenglow
Timestamps —
0:00 Introduction & The Vision for Solana Investment
5:40 Sol Strategies’ Journey and Investment Thesis
11:58 Market Dynamics and Fundraising
19:16 Why Sol Strategies is Bullish on Solana
27:10 Hyperliquid vs Solana
30:33 How is Solana going to get better?
34:39 The Future of On-Chain Assets & Revenue Diversification
👥 Guest:
Leah Wald – CEO at SOL Strategies Twitter: https://x.com/leahwald
Max Kaplan – CTO at SOL Strategies Twitter: https://x.com/maxekaplan
🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
Twitter: https://x.com/desh_saurabh
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EP 42 — Avoiding the Hidden Tax of DeFi with Nikita from BarterSwap
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What actually happens after you hit “swap”?
In this episode, Saurabh is joined by Nikita Ovchinnik, founder of BarterSwap, to break down the mechanics of routing, MEV, solvers, and the invisible infrastructure that powers billions in DeFi volume.
They explore:– Why AMMs leak value and how orderbooks are making a comeback– The role of solvers, searchers, and market makers in intent-based trading– How MEV is created, who captures it, and whether it can ever be eradicated– BarterSwap’s new product, Superposition — liquidity without TVL– Why most liquidity providers lose money, and what alternatives could work better– Expansion to Solana, L2s, and building infrastructure that scales across chains
BarterSwap has routed over $11B in trades. But its model isn’t extractive — it’s about giving users more control over execution, pricing, and outcomes. This episode will make you understand how DeFi works behind the scenes.
00:18 Introduction to MEV and BarterSwap
03:52 AMMs vs Order Books
07:15 The Role of Liquidity Providers in DeFi
13:31 Exploring MEV
19:29 Barter's Approach to MEV
27:50 Liquidity Management with Barter's Superposition
31:14 Barter's Multi-Chain Strategy
33:40 MEV - Good or Bad?
33:51 How Barter is Tackling MEV
34:30 How Superposition Allows Users to Provide Liquidity Without Deploying Assets into a Pool
36:18 Future Plans to Integrate Solana?
40:47 Barter's Business Model
👉 Related reading:The Inevitability of MEV
👥 Guest: Nikita Ovchinnik – Co-founder at BarterSwap
Twitter: https://x.com/novaovchinnik
🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
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EP 41 — Inside Dune with Mats Olsen
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Most discussions about crypto UX revolve around decentralisation and ease of use. Mats Olson, co-founder and CTO of Dune, dives deeper into the overlooked importance of real-time data infrastructure. Mats explains why blockchains, built as write-optimised databases, make data retrieval challenging and how Dune is solving this critical problem.
We explore:
• Why Dune’s community-driven approach to analytics succeeded without incentives
• The pragmatic trade-offs between decentralisation and usability
• How their latest product, SIM, provides real-time cross-chain data
• What separates crypto teams that thrive from those that struggle with data strategyChapters —
00:00 Introduction to Dune and Its Evolution
02:56 User-Generated Content and Community Engagement
05:59 Expanding Beyond Analytics
08:58 The Role of Data in Crypto (Retail vs. Institutional Usage)
11:58 Challenges of On-Chain Data and Infrastructure
15:03 Acquisitions and Future Directions for Dune
17:47 The Future of AI in Data Analytics
21:12 Decentralisation vs. Pragmatism in Crypto Applications
👥 Guest: Mats Olsen – Co-founder & CTO at Dune
Twitter: https://x.com/mewwts
🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
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EP 40 — Exploring DeFi, AI Agents, and the Future of On-Chain Forecasting with James Ross
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Forecasting and prediction tools are missing links in DeFi and Mode Network is trying to fill that gap.
In this episode, James Ross (co-founder of Mode and Synthdata) talks about building smarter forecasting systems for DeFi. We dig into how Mode is using BitTensor’s decentralised AI network to power real-time risk analysis, how agents could drive most on-chain activity in the future, and why better decision-making tools are critical for DeFi’s next evolution.
We also cover:
• Why forecasting short-term volatility matters
• How Synthdata's subnet incentivises accurate predictions
• The behavioural challenge of trusting agents with capital
• What still needs to be proven before these systems can scale👥 Guest: James Ross – Founder, Mode Network and SynthTower
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Ep 39 — Aggregating the Trillion Dollar Stablecoin Market with Ryne and Jay
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Stablecoins are crypto’s biggest product-market fit—$230B and growing. But the pipes that move them? Broken.
In this episode, Saurabh speaks with Jay Kurahashi-Sofue (CMO) and Ryne Sachs (CEO) of Eco, who are building something surprisingly rare in crypto: infrastructure that actually works. Not another stablecoin—but a liquidity layer that coordinates capital intelligently across chains.
We dive into:
• Fragmented across venues and pools
• How Eco’s “crowd liquidity” model lets users earn yield without impermanent loss
• Eco's GTM and incentive mechanisms
🎙️ Guests:
Ryne Saxe – CEO, Eco Inc.
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Jay Kurahashi-Sofue – CMO, Eco Inc.
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Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
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EP 38 — How to Fix DeFi with Andre Cronje
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From regulatory battles that forced him out of DeFi, to the conviction that drew him back, Andre opens up about the unseen cost of innovation in a space that now rewards safety over experimentation.
This isn’t a retrospective of Yearn or a breakdown of his past projects. It’s a look at why composability collapsed, how decentralisation became a UX burden, and why most builders today are creating walled gardens instead of primitives.
We explore:
• The psychological and legal toll of building in public
• Why upgradability killed trust and composability in DeFi
• Ethereum’s missed opportunity: 2% utilisation and a path to 8x throughput
• The paradox of building secure, decentralised systems for users who don’t want to deal with either
• Why Andre thinks you shouldn’t build in crypto and what to do if you still want to
This episode isn’t about nostalgia. It’s about reckoning with the systems we’ve created, and the incentives we’ve chosen.
If you’ve ever asked yourself whether it’s still worth building in this space, this is the episode to watch.Timestamps — 00:00 Introduction
01:34 Navigating Regulatory Challenges in Crypto
03:09 Legal Battles and SEC Interactions
09:23 The Shift in Market Participants and Decentralization
13:59 Innovation Stagnation in DeFi
18:00 Balancing User Experience and Decentralization
34:00 Scalability and the Limitations of Ethereum
41:17 Innovations in DeFi Primitives
44:10 Advice for Builders
👥 Guest: Andre Cronje – CTO, Sonic Labs
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Markets, Manipulation & the Myth of Decentralisation with Jose Sanchez
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Recorded just before the market was hit by tariff chaos, this episode captures a rare quiet moment—and uses it to unpack the deeper mechanics of how crypto actually works.
From the Hyperliquid–JELLY saga to the evolving reality of intents, solvers, and Ethereum’s fragmentation, Jose brings sharp, grounded perspective without the fluff.
This isn’t a polished panel or pitch deck walkthrough. It’s a low-pressure, free-flowing conversation that cuts through the noise—from Solana’s competitive shift to stablecoin strategies and the quiet rise of Pendle.
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EP 37 — Building Useful AI on Crypto Rails with Ejaaz
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In this episode, Ejaaz joins Saurabh to explore what it really takes to build usable, decentralized AI tools on crypto rails.
We break down the AI x Crypto stack from first principles: – Why fragmented compute networks haven’t worked (and what might change that) – How AI agents are reshaping crypto UX – Why open-sourcing everything could backfire in an alpha-driven world – Who the actual users of crypto-AI might be—and why they’re likely not crypto-native
We also discuss why product-led growth beats token-first strategies in the long run, and how to think clearly when everything—from apps to infrastructure—is bleeding into each other.
If you're a founder, crypto builder, AI researcher, or just trying to make sense of where this industry is heading, this conversation is for you.
Key Moments —00:00 Introduction
01:10 Understanding the AI Stack
10:04 Business Models in the AI Stack
18:41 AI's Role in DeFi
27:58 The Future of Trading Agents
33:27 The Case for Proprietary Strategies
35:10 Opportunities for AI in Crypto
39:10 Bridging Web2 and Web3 with AI
43:16 The Role of Agents in Supply Chain and Enterprise
47:56 Identifying Blind Spots in AI and Crypto
49:39 Accelerate DAO
👥 Guest:
Ejaaz Ahamadeen – Co-Founder, Aiccelerate DAO
Twitter: https://x.com/cryptopunk7213
🎙️ Host: Saurabh Deshpande – DCo Podcast
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EP 36 — Beyond Four-Year Market Cycles with Will Clemente
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We break down why the familiar crypto playbook no longer applies. We explore the death of predictable Bitcoin cycles, how macroeconomic shifts under Trump's administration are reshaping markets, and why stablecoins like USDC could soon dominate finance. Will shares his disciplined strategy—separating long-term conviction from short-term trades—and why crypto, in his words, remains 'the purest form of capitalism.' Tune in for a grounded, insightful take on navigating today's evolving crypto landscape.00:00 Will's Journey
04:19 From Trading Sneakers to Bitcoin and Market Analysis
06:20 Market Dynamics and Economic Influences
15:52 Investing in Private Deals
20:02 Navigating Criticism and Building a Social Media Presence
25:13 Advice for Aspiring Investors and Content Creators
28:56 Trends in Bitcoin and Institutional Adoption
32:55 The Future of Crypto: Speculation and Regulation
34:10 Portfolio Management: Balancing Long-term and Tactical Investments
36:37 Stablecoins
38:11 Bitcoin L2s and DeFi: Exploring New Frontiers
40:45 Market Cycles
47:27 Building Sustainable Businesses in Crypto
51:00 The Role of Regulation in Unlocking Crypto's Potential
55:55 From Memecoins to Value-driven Investments
01:01:03 Market Outlook: Short-term Caution vs. Long-term Optimism
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EP 35 — AI Traders, Swarms, and Surviving the Bear Market with Shaw
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In a space where information is the ultimate edge, how do the best traders and builders stay ahead?
Shaw from elizaOS returns to the podcast to break down the harsh realities of crypto trading, AI-driven investing, and building through market cycles. We explore:
•The information edge in crypto: Why the best traders aren’t chart readers but those closest to deal flow.
• AI trading agents: Overhyped? Why LLMs struggle with time-series data and where AI can actually add value.
• Swarms over super AIs: The case for specialized AI agents instead of one-size-fits-all models.
• Surviving market downturns: How token allocation mistakes are forcing founders into existential choices.
• Revenue vs. hype: Why sustainable monetization beats reliance on speculative pumps.
• Vampire attack partnerships: How some collaborations are designed to drain value rather than create it.
Chapters —
00:00 Introduction
02:52 The Role of AI in the Current Market
05:53 Building Trust for AI-Driven Trading
08:45 Exploring Copy Trading and Community Dynamics
12:02 AI Agents and Swarms
17:51 Practical Applications of AI Agents in Workflows
28:09 Privacy and Security in Multi-tenant Environments
35:12 Navigating Startup Challenges and Team Dynamics
38:08 Tokenomics and Value Accrual Strategies
46:21 Timing the Market and Launch Strategies
50:20 The Future of Product Quality in DAOs
51:09 Identifying Gaps in DAO Governance
55:52 Balancing Contributions and Token Holding
01:01:52 User Experience in DeFi Applications
01:04:04 The Hype Cycle of New Technologies
01:06:35 Lessons Learned from the Crypto Space
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Ep 34 — How to Bring Institutional DeFi Trading to Retail with Jai Prasad
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We discuss Jai's journey from leading blockchain integration at Coinbase to founding DefinitiveFi, and how the platform grew from $20-30M to nine-figure monthly volumes.
Jai explains the key innovations needed for mainstream DeFi adoption - gas abstraction, chain abstraction, and account abstraction - and how advanced order types like TWAPs allow large trades without moving markets. The conversation explores compliance challenges for institutions in DeFi, the intersection of AI and crypto, and token design philosophy.
We also touch on DefinitiveFi's future plans, including expanding beyond spot trading to perps and yield strategies.
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Ep 33 — Scaling the Ethereum Civilisation with Brother Bing
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Ethereum scaling has been an uphill battle. We’ve built rollups, fragmented liquidity, and pushed execution limits—but have we really solved the problem? Instead of patching Ethereum’s existing framework, MegaETH has rewritten the Ethereum data structure from scratch, eliminating bottlenecks and achieving millisecond block times. The implications? Possibility of on-chain high-frequency trading, real-time gaming, instant micropayments, and an entirely new breed of decentralised applications.Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:11 Journey Towards Starting MegaETH
06:43 The White Paper
11:12 Consensus Mechanisms and Performance Challenges
15:09 Security and Censorship Resistance in MegaETH
19:03 Use Cases
24:10 Empowering Applications in Crypto
25:38 Cultural Influences on Crypto Markets
27:48 Blockchain as Civilization
30:30 The Role of Community in Crypto
32:57 Valuations and Community Loyalty
38:10 Building a Community
40:52 Capitalism and Sustainable Business Models
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Ep 32 — Bitcoin Mining Economics with Nick Hansen
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Bitcoin mining is a delicate balance between mathematical certainty and real-world volatility. In this episode, Nick Hansen, CEO of Luxor, breaks down the evolution of mining—from hardware cycles to energy markets, hashrate futures, and Bitcoin’s shrinking block subsidy. We also discuss miners' role in stabilising power grids and the contentious debate over Bitcoin fees. Tune in to understand the future of mining and what happens when the last Bitcoin is mined.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:41 Nick’s Journey From Dirt Biking to Bitcoin Mining
08:01 The Evolution of Luxor Mining and Its Services
09:22 Understanding the Crypto Market and AI's Impact
12:00 Transitioning from Hardware to Software in Mining
13:21 Hashrate vs. Price: Understanding Bitcoin Economics
17:46 How Electricity Costs Rule Mining Operations
20:31 The Mining Hamster Wheel: Upgrading Equipment and Supply Chains
22:47 Evolution of Mining Technology and Efficiency
24:03 Energy Costs and Mining Profitability
27:16 Hashrate Futures and Market Dynamics
33:49 The Role of Renewable Energy in Bitcoin Mining
40:09 Innovations in Block Construction and Mining Risks
43:29 Future of Bitcoin Fees and Emission Concerns
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Ep 31 - Web3 Marketing Playbook with Phin from Abstract
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Web3 marketing has a retention problem. Too many projects chase mindshare, but few know how to build communities that last. In this episode, Phin, lead marketer at Abstract, shares his journey from Web2 to Web3 and unpacks why most crypto marketing playbooks are fundamentally flawed.
We explore why engagement farming isn’t enough, why crypto products should compete in the mainstream, and how Abstract is rethinking consumer crypto by making Web3 seamless.
If you’re a founder or marketer looking to cut through the noise and build something real, this episode is for you.Chapters:00:00 Introduction
02:47 The Evolution of Abstract and L2 Launch Decisions
05:55 Comparing Ethereum and Solana: Insights and Opinions
09:10 Marketing Strategies: Web2 vs Web3
11:58 The Future of Marketing in Web3
14:51 Data Privacy and User Experience in Web3
18:03 Session Keys and On-Chain Interactions
23:56 Simplifying the Crypto Experience
26:47 Reducing Onboarding Friction
28:56 The Role of Price in Marketing
30:35 Self-Custody and Consumer Behavior
32:30 Building a Community in Crypto
39:05 Abstract's Consumer-Centric Approach
43:00 NFTs vs Tokens: Branding Strategies
44:49 Marketing on a Budget
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The Encrypted Supercomputer with Yannik from Arcium
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In this episode, Yannik Schrade, CEO of Arcium, explains how they're building an encrypted supercomputer to bring privacy to both Web2 and Web3. We explore:
• The journey from creating one of the world's most downloaded iPad apps to building privacy infrastructure
• Why current privacy solutions like trusted hardware and zero-knowledge proofs aren't enough
• How Arcium achieves efficient private computation through pre-computed multiplications and oblivious data structures
• The future of private AI - from confidential training to trustless inference
• Why privacy should be infrastructure, not a product
• The path to bringing institutional players into DeFi through privacy
• How Arcium could enable everything from dark pools to private gaming
Timestamps -
00:00 Introduction to Web3 and Privacy
02:54 The Journey from Law to Crypto
05:50 Building Elusive: On-Chain Transactional Privacy
09:06 The Encrypted Supercomputer
11:57 AI's Role in Crypto and User Experience
14:51 Legacy Approach to Privacy Enhancing Technologies
18:05 Zero-Knowledge Proofs and Their Limitations
20:53 The Future of Privacy in DeFi and Healthcare
23:47 Secure Multi-Party Computation: A New Paradigm
27:12 Confidential Computing and Trust Models
32:32 Transforming Encrypted Data into Random Values
34:27 Understanding Arcium's Position in the Tech Stack
36:54 Arcium as an Encrypted Supercomputer
38:52 Efficiency of Secure Multi-Party Computation
41:47 Flexibility and Oblivious Data Structures in MPC
44:11 Selective Disclosure and Composability in Confidential Computing
46:03 Arcium's Autonomous Network and Accountability Protocols
49:55 AI Agents and Trust in Decision-Making
52:45 Responsible AI and Explainability
56:48 Market Landscape and Use Cases for Arcium
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