How I Grew This

What if your mobile app strategy was holding back your entire company's growth? In this episode, Amanda and Adam welcome back Matt Hudson, founder of BILDIT, to discuss why mobile-first thinking isn't just about technology—it's an organizational imperative. From breaking down the real ROI of app investment and the myth of channel cannibalization, to preparing your ecommerce business for AI discovery optimization, Matt shares hard-won lessons on aligning teams, personalizing customer experiences, and staying ahead of LLM-driven search trends. Whether you're scaling retail, launching a mobile strategy, or wrestling with how to compete in an AI-first world, this conversation cuts through the noise to deliver actionable insights that will reshape how you think about customer engagement across all channels. What You’ll Learn: How to determine if your ecommerce business actually needs a mobile app Why organizational alignment across teams matters more than technology The critical difference between SEO and AI discovery optimization How to immediately implement AI-ready data on your site today Why React Native and cross-functional web-and-mobile teams accelerate app growth How AI personalization works at scale using embeddings and vectors Episode Highlights: [00:05:35] The Five-Point Framework for Determining If Your Business Needs a Mobile App -  Matt Hudson shares a strategic framework to help ecommerce businesses evaluate whether a mobile app investment makes sense for their company. The framework addresses a critical question many retailers face: with limited resources, is building an app worth the effort and cost? Rather than assuming all businesses need apps, Hudson identifies five specific criteria: having 50,000+ SKUs, operating physical stores, running loyalty programs, generating $100M+ in revenue, and understanding that app users are your most loyal customers—not necessarily younger demographics. For example, a retailer with nearby physical locations sees 50% higher app usage within a 25-mile radius, proving that apps convert loyal, high-value customers who trust the brand. This framework helps ecommerce leaders make data-driven decisions about mobile strategy instead of following industry trends blindly. [00:11:36] Organizational Alignment Over Technology: Why Mobile App Growth Requires Company-Wide Buy-In -  Matt Hudson reveals that mobile app success depends far less on technical excellence and far more on getting every department—from stores to marketing to IT—genuinely invested in the app's growth. The challenge most retailers face is that mobile and web teams operate in silos, compete for attribution credit, and prioritize their own channel's metrics over total revenue. Hudson explains that when the marketing team sees improved ROAS (return on ad spend) from app traffic, and when stores actively promote downloads, the app grows exponentially; without this organizational alignment, even a perfect user experience fails. A key tactic is seating app and marketing teams physically next to each other and tying bonuses to overall company revenue rather than channel-specific metrics. This organizational shift removes the false notion of "cannibalization" and ensures every team pushes customers to their best experience—whether web or app. [00:21:19] Optimize for AI Discovery (AIO) Now or Lose 90% of Your Search Traffic -  Matt Hudson warns that traffic from AI-powered discovery is already replacing traditional Google search, with click-through rates dropping from 15% to as low as 8% (or lower), and the trend will only accelerate. Unlike Google's SEO, which indexes everything and rewards backlinks, AI discovery prioritizes authoritative sources—Reddit, Quora, FAQs, podcasts, and trusted voices—and cares about giving correct answers, not just showing available links. Retailers must shift strategy immediately: stop relying on keyword rankings and start building authority through FAQ-formatted content, detailed product descriptions, JSON-LD schema markup, and getting mentioned in trusted communities where real people validate your answers. The good news is that unlike SEO, this content doesn't need to be visible to users—you can hide FAQs below product pages specifically for AI consumption. For any retailer serious about discoverability in the next 2–3 years, implementing AIO optimization today is non-negotiable for maintaining visibility. [00:32:38] Layer Personalized Customer Data into Product Pages Today So LLMs Reference It Now -  Matt Hudson advises ecommerce companies to immediately begin adding customer-specific, personalized data to product pages—not just generic descriptions—so that large language models start consuming and referencing this information in recommendations today, rather than waiting for "perfect" AI features. LLMs use three-dimensional embeddings and vectors to predict which tokens (words) come next based on a user's entire conversation history; if you provide personalized data about who a product suits, the AI naturally generates personalized answers. For example, instead of just "Red Plaid Shirt," include FAQ-style answers like "Is this great for trendy ladies?" or "Will this fit someone with a small frame?" so the AI understands the product's full audience and context. The data doesn't need to be visible on the page—it can be hidden in structured markup or FAQ sections—but its presence trains the AI to make smarter, more personalized recommendations when customers ask about your products in ChatGPT or other LLMs. This practice compounds over time as models learn your data patterns and become more effective at positioning your products. Episode Resources: Matt Hudson on LinkedIn BILDIT on LinkedIn BILDIT Website Amanda Vandiver on LinkedIn Adam Landis on LinkedIn Branch on LinkedIn Branch Website How I Grew This on Apple Podcasts How I Grew This on Spotify How I Grew This on Simplecast

In 2025, growth didn’t stall because teams lacked tools—it stalled because they lacked clarity. AI accelerated everything, dashboards multiplied, and activity increased, yet decision-making quietly got worse. In this Best of 2025 compilation, Amanda and Adam revisit standout conversations with growth, product, and leadership operators to uncover a shared truth: the teams that won weren’t moving faster—they were seeing more clearly. From subscription app fundamentals and AI attribution to leadership focus, creative guardrails, and defensibility in an agent-led future, this episode connects the patterns that actually held up. You’ll learn why understanding your funnel matters more than scaling it, why server logs reveal what analytics dashboards miss, where “vibe coding” breaks down, and why saying no is often the most strategic decision a leader can make. If you’re building, leading, or navigating an AI-first world, this episode is a reminder that the fundamentals never stopped mattering.   Episode Highlights: [00:01:01] Build Subscription Apps on Clear Metrics, Not Blind Scaling Takeaway: If you can’t see your funnel end-to-end, you’re guessing—and scaling guesswork is how apps die. Shumel explains that early-stage subscription app founders often rush into growth before setting up the analytics that actually matter. Many compare themselves to mature competitors with completely different economics, timelines, and data maturity. The real work starts by tagging the right events early so you can see how users move from app open to registration to engagement—and how different subscription tiers (weekly vs. annual) change behavior. Once that visibility exists, founders can model realistic unit economics like CAC, LTV, and payback period instead of chasing premature ROI. Clarity here prevents expensive scaling mistakes and gives teams a foundation they can trust. [00:04:34] Use Server Logs as Your Most Reliable AI Attribution Signal Takeaway: Your analytics dashboard is lying to you—server logs are the source of truth. Jason breaks down why standard tools like GA4 fail to show how AI models interact with your content. AI systems like ChatGPT use multiple bots for training, retrieval, and other functions, and their activity never appears cleanly in traditional dashboards. Server logs, however, capture every request. By analyzing them, teams can see which content AI models actually reference, how often training bots consume data, and what traffic flows from AI tools like Perplexity. This uncomfortable clarity lets brands make smarter content decisions in an AI-driven distribution landscape where polished dashboards obscure reality. [00:07:59] Know Where AI Accelerates Your Team—and Where It Creates Risk Takeaway: AI should speed up judgment, not replace it. Robert explains that “vibe coding” works well for proofs of concept and simple applications but breaks down in regulated environments and complex legacy systems. In fintech and healthcare, security, compliance, and maintainability still demand human oversight. His team uses AI tools like Microsoft Copilot to eliminate repetitive cognitive work—research, scaffolding, and suggestions—so engineers can focus on architecture and risk. The advantage isn’t letting AI build the product for you; it’s freeing your best people to make the decisions that keep the business safe and defensible. [00:10:06] Lead Through Mission Clarity and Ruthless Focus, Not Heroic Effort Takeaway: Too many priorities feel urgent—clarity tells teams what to ignore. Patrick shares a leadership framework centered on repeatedly resetting the mission: who you’re building for and why. When teams juggle too many “important” initiatives, progress stalls and morale drops. His antidote is ruthless prioritization—actively unfocusing from false emergencies—and creating structured space for creativity through hackathons and design challenges. He also challenges the idea that technical PMs must code, arguing that curiosity and supported learning matter more. In fast-moving environments, clarity isn’t motivational fluff—it’s how teams survive sustained pressure. [00:13:14] Use Principles as an Operating System, Not Decoration Takeaway: Saying no isn’t a luxury—it’s how durable businesses are built. Mick shows how principled constraints create long-term advantage. By declining gambling and gaming clients and focusing tightly on mobile, his agency protected quality, talent, and culture—even when cash flow was tight. Early-stage companies don’t lack ambition; they lack focus. Prioritizing payroll, vendors, and sustainable growth over personal draw builds trust internally and externally. Over time, this creates a compounding effect: trained leaders pass down standards and judgment that outside hires can’t replicate. Principles stop being slogans and become infrastructure. [00:17:36] Use Guardrails to Unlock Creativity Instead of Stifling It Takeaway: Constraints don’t kill creativity—they aim it. Lindiwe explains how clear guardrails transform cross-functional chaos into productive collaboration. Designers move faster when constraints are explicit, and stakeholders contribute better feedback when they focus on strategy instead of taste. Guardrails—brand, goals, and boundaries—turn conflicting opinions into useful tension rather than endless revision cycles. When everyone understands their role, creativity becomes a problem-solving engine instead of an emotional battleground. [00:23:09] Pick a Niche Problem, Build a Data Advantage, and Lock In Stickiness Takeaway: Defensibility comes from speed, focus, and owning one lane deeply. Cooper outlines how companies survive in an AI-accelerated world by solving specific, high-value problems that large AI labs won’t prioritize. As AI agents become the primary interface, switching costs—not features—create stickiness. Products trained on deep, niche data become hard to replace because retraining is expensive and risky. Fast iteration beats long build cycles, and early customer feedback compounds into a defensible data advantage. Specialists win by moving first and learning fastest. [00:26:48] Specialize—Don’t Consolidate—in an Agent-Led Future Takeaway: In an AI ecosystem, the best tool wins—not the biggest one. Cooper expands on why consolidation fails in an agent-driven world. AI platforms like OpenAI rely on specialist tools through integrations rather than attempting domain mastery themselves. That means businesses should obsess over doing one thing exceptionally well instead of expanding into adjacent features. Broad platforms become mediocre; specialists become indispensable. The winners are the teams that dominate a narrow use case, collect the most relevant data, and become the default choice when AI agents delegate work. Episode Resources: Shumel Lais on LinkedIn Jason White on LinkedIn Robert Armstrong on LinkedIn Patrick Wesonga on LinkedIn Mick Rigby on LinkedIn Lindiwe Stenberg on LinkedIn Cooper Simpson on LinkedIn Amanda Vandiver on LinkedIn Adam Landis on LinkedIn Branch on LinkedIn Branch Website How I Grew This on Apple Podcasts How I Grew This on Spotify How I Grew This on Simplecast

In this episode of How I Grew This, host Amanda sits down with Justin Rashidi, Co-Founder and Head of Strategy at SeedX, Inc., alongside co-host Adam, to explore how to build sustainable growth engines, navigate the shifting search landscape powered by AI, and measure marketing efforts with precision in a world of constant platform changes.

In this episode, Amanda and Adam welcome Cooper Simson, Portfolio Manager at Martell Ventures, to discuss how to build sustainable AI-first SaaS companies for small and medium-sized businesses. Drawing from his experience launching an AI grant-writing startup and now scaling portfolio companies, Cooper breaks down the strategic frameworks, defensibility principles, and go-to-market tactics that separate winners from casualties in the AI boom.

In this episode of HIGT, hosts Adam and Amanda sit down with Lindiwe Stenberg, newly promoted Chief of Staff to the VP of Marketing at Venmo (formerly Growth Marketing Operations Lead), to explore her unconventional career journey from multimedia design to nursing school to fintech marketing, her philosophy on continuous learning, and practical strategies for building high-performing marketing stacks and cross-functional teams.

Building a Sustainable Agency Through Values-Driven Leadership and Specialist Focus. In this episode of How I Grew This, hosts Amanda and Adam speak with Mick Rigby, founder and CEO of Yodel Mobile, about his 20-year journey building a specialist mobile app marketing agency. From launching just before the iPhone's debut to being recently acquired by NP Digital, Mick shares insights on sustainable growth, maintaining company values, and adapting to industry changes.

Ever wondered how to navigate product development in highly regulated industries while still driving innovation? Join Amanda and Adam as they chat with Patrick Wesonga, Senior Product Leader, who shares two decades of invaluable product management wisdom. From hypothesis-driven development to building mission-driven products, discover how to balance regulatory compliance with rapid innovation, the key traits of exceptional product managers, and why curiosity is the cornerstone of product success. Whether you're an aspiring product manager or seasoned professional, this episode delivers practical insights on making impactful product decisions while staying true to your mission.

Ever wondered how to navigate product development in highly regulated industries while still driving innovation? Join Amanda and Adam as they chat with Patrick Wesonga, Senior Product Leader, who shares two decades of invaluable product management wisdom. From hypothesis-driven development to building mission-driven products, discover how to balance regulatory compliance with rapid innovation, the key traits of exceptional product managers, and why curiosity is the cornerstone of product success. Whether you're an aspiring product manager or seasoned professional, this episode delivers practical insights on making impactful product decisions while staying true to your mission. Balancing innovation with regulatory requirements in healthcare and fintech Creating successful products across B2B, B2C, and B2B2C models Transitioning from engineering to product management Building mission-driven products that make a real impact Essential traits and skills for successful product managers Navigating the future of product management in the age of AI What You'll Learn:How to navigate product development in regulated industries without sacrificing innovation The key differences between B2B, B2C, and B2B2C product development approaches Why hypothesis-driven product development is crucial for building successful products How to leverage data to challenge executive decisions and validate product strategies The essential qualities to look for when hiring product managers include curiosity and technical acumen Why understanding both the spirit and letter of regulations leads to better product outcomes How to balance mission-driven work with business sustainability The future impact of AI on product management roles and responsibilities Why product success requires focusing on both emotional and functional customer needs The advantages and challenges of working in early-stage versus mature companies  Episode Resources:Patrick Wesonga on LinkedIn Spring Health on LinkedIn Spring Health Website Amanda Vandiver on LinkedIn Adam Landis on LinkedIn Branch on LinkedIn Branch Website How I Grew This on Apple Podcasts How I Grew This on Spotify How I Grew This on YouTube 

From Oracle Sales to Digital Product Pioneer: Building a Sustainable Tech Agency in the Mobile Era. In this episode of How I Grew This, host Adam speaks with Robert Armstrong, Co-Founder and CEO of Appstem, about his 15-year journey building a successful digital product agency from the early days of mobile apps to today's AI-driven landscape, alongside co-host Amanda.

From Oracle Sales to Digital Product Pioneer: Building a Sustainable Tech Agency in the Mobile Era. In this episode of How I Grew This, host Adam speaks with Robert Armstrong, Co-Founder and CEO of Appstem, about his 15-year journey building a successful digital product agency from the early days of mobile apps to today's AI-driven landscape, alongside co-host Amanda.

In this episode of How I Grew This, hosts Amanda and Adam sit down with Jason White, Head of Acquisition at Policygenius, to explore the evolving landscape of digital marketing and SEO. Jason shares invaluable insights from his journey from a local bike shop to leading acquisition strategies, discussing why traditional marketing principles still matter in the AI era, how to effectively navigate the current "land grab" opportunity in digital channels, and practical approaches to testing and measurement. Whether you're a seasoned marketer adapting to AI-driven changes or looking to build a more resilient acquisition strategy, this conversation offers actionable insights on maintaining authenticity while embracing innovation. Tune in to discover why "doing real company stuff" matters more than chasing the latest marketing fads.

In this episode of How I Grew This, hosts Amanda and Adam sit down with Jason White, Head of Acquisition at Policygenius, to explore the evolving landscape of digital marketing and SEO. Jason shares invaluable insights from his journey from a local bike shop to leading acquisition strategies, discussing why traditional marketing principles still matter in the AI era, how to effectively navigate the current "land grab" opportunity in digital channels, and practical approaches to testing and measurement. Whether you're a seasoned marketer adapting to AI-driven changes or looking to build a more resilient acquisition strategy, this conversation offers actionable insights on maintaining authenticity while embracing innovation. Tune in to discover why "doing real company stuff" matters more than chasing the latest marketing fads.

Join Adam and Amanda as they sit down with Shumel Lais, a mobile growth expert with over a decade of experience, to explore the essential strategies for launching and scaling subscription apps. From setting up proper analytics and understanding payback periods to navigating iOS challenges and leveraging AI, this episode delivers practical insights for both startup founders and established app developers. Learn why immediate ROI isn't always the goal, when to start paid acquisition, and how to build a sustainable growth strategy in today's complex mobile landscape.

Join Adam and Amanda as they sit down with Shumel Lais, a mobile growth expert with over a decade of experience, to explore the essential strategies for launching and scaling subscription apps. From setting up proper analytics and understanding payback periods to navigating iOS challenges and leveraging AI, this episode delivers practical insights for both startup founders and established app developers. Learn why immediate ROI isn't always the goal, when to start paid acquisition, and how to build a sustainable growth strategy in today's complex mobile landscape.

Gamelight founder Günay Azer sits down with ‘How I Grew This’ hosts Amanda Vandiver and Adam Landis to reveal the remarkable journey of transforming a bootstrapped startup into a mobile marketing powerhouse. In this episode, Günay shares how Gamelight's AI-powered platform revolutionizes user acquisition through sophisticated data analysis and personalized app recommendations. The conversation offers invaluable insights for anyone interested in mobile gaming, adtech innovation, and the future of AI-driven marketing strategies. Learn firsthand how Gamelight's cutting-edge approach is reshaping the mobile app marketing landscape through the strategic intersection of artificial intelligence, user behavior data, and targeted recommendation algorithms.

Gamelight founder Günay Azer sits down with ‘How I Grew This’ hosts Amanda Vandiver and Adam Landis to reveal the remarkable journey of transforming a bootstrapped startup into a mobile marketing powerhouse. In this episode, Günay shares how Gamelight's AI-powered platform revolutionizes user acquisition through sophisticated data analysis and personalized app recommendations. The conversation offers invaluable insights for anyone interested in mobile gaming, adtech innovation, and the future of AI-driven marketing strategies. Learn firsthand how Gamelight's cutting-edge approach is reshaping the mobile app marketing landscape through the strategic intersection of artificial intelligence, user behavior data, and targeted recommendation algorithms.

In this episode of How I Grew This, Shobeir Shobeiri, Senior Director of Business Development at Mintegral, joins host Amanda Vandiver and Adam Landis to discuss the evolution of mobile advertising and what brand advertising means in the context of mobile.

In this episode of How I Grew This, Shobeir Shobeiri, Senior Director of Business Development at Mintegral, joins host Amanda Vandiver and Adam Landis to discuss the evolution of mobile advertising and what brand advertising means in the context of mobile.

In this episode of How I Grew This, Alexa Serrano, Director of Client and Product Growth at Simplii Financial, joins host Amanda Vandiver to discuss the challenges of managing generational dynamics in the workplace, with a focus on Alexa's experience as a millennial manager in the digital banking industry. They also share the importance of continuous learning, operational efficiency, mobile marketing trends, and personalized customer experiences. Alexa is an experienced growth director with over 8 years of expertise in driving customer acquisition, retention, and revenue growth for retail products in the financial services industry. Before joining Simplii Financial, she was the Senior Marketing Manager at President's Choice Financial and CIBC, as well as the Marketing Director at S.E.E.D.S. (Science for Life), a non-profit science education organization based in Toronto.

In this episode of How I Grew This, Alexa Serrano, Director of Client and Product Growth at Simplii Financial, joins host Amanda Vandiver to discuss the challenges of managing generational dynamics in the workplace, with a focus on Alexa's experience as a millennial manager in the digital banking industry. They also share the importance of continuous learning, operational efficiency, mobile marketing trends, and personalized customer experiences. Alexa is an experienced growth director with over 8 years of expertise in driving customer acquisition, retention, and revenue growth for retail products in the financial services industry. Before joining Simplii Financial, she was the Senior Marketing Manager at President's Choice Financial and CIBC, as well as the Marketing Director at S.E.E.D.S. (Science for Life), a non-profit science education organization based in Toronto.