John Vervaeke

Why is the modern world making us lose our "taste for the real," and can ancient practices like animal tracking and Socratic dialogue actually save our personhood from the "virtual matrix" of AI? John Vervaeke, Guy Sengstock, and Kyle Koch announce their second "Reconnecting to the Real" retreat and outline what each will teach: Kyle offers nature-connection practices such as tracking and bird language to cultivate belonging; Guy brings Circling Method relational practices to deepen listening, communication, and group connection; John brings reconstructed Socratic practices including dialogos, dialectic, imaginal reflection, and a two-hour Socratic salon for questions. They describe the retreat as a non-vacation "pilgrimage" meant to transfer skills back into everyday life amid increasing virtual mediation and AI-driven risks of losing the "taste for the real." Logistics: Aug 31–Sept 4 in Whistler, British Columbia at Brû Creek Lodge, with lodging and meals included, costing $3,995 USD, and limited spots remaining with many returning participants. Guy Sengstock Co-founder of The Circling Method: He has spent 30 years developing this relational practice to transform peer-to-peer communication into a profound "asana" of listening and presence. Relational "Maestro": He uses spontaneous inquiry and formal circling to help groups move beyond intellectual concepts into direct contact with "the real". Personal Blog/Website LinkedIn Kyle Koch Nature Connection Expert: He bridges the gap between philosophical concepts and embodied reality through tracking, bird language, and nature-based core routines. Embodiment Practitioner: Coming from a background in Evolve Move Play, he focuses on reclaiming our innate sense of belonging to the natural world EARTHKIN WILD - Kyle's Website Reconnecting to the Real The Circling Method Evolve Move Play Nature Connection Mentoring with Kyle Rewild your Week-7 day nervous system reset Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:00 Kyle nature connection 02:30 Guy circling practice 06:00 John socratic practices 09:30 Whistler logistics 14:00 Why reconnecting real 16:00 Guy ear for real 20:00 John true good beautiful 30:00 Kyle beyond virtual 33:00 Tracking as truthing 35:30 Primordial skills return 38:00 Biases and feedback 40:00 Games reveal patterns 43:00 Beauty as practice 46:30 Pilgrimage not vacation 49:00 Screens and ai mediation 53:19 " The real is becoming option, like optional in some strange way." 53:30 Losing taste for real 58:00 Bring it back home Explore courses and teachings from The Lectern https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support the Lectern and join a growing community of wisdom seekers https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke John Vervaeke: https://johnvervaeke.com/ https://twitter.com/drjohnvervaeke https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Thanks for listening!

Can reclaiming poetry spark a second renaissance and wake us from our digital slumber? John welcomes Adam Walker to the Lectern dialogue series, praising his balanced critique of higher education and his work on poetry as a spiritual practice and the possibility of a second renaissance. Adam, an English PhD from Harvard, explains he developed a critical vocabulary for "spiritual poetics" (using Wordsworth) and now teaches public literature courses outside the academy to bridge the widening gap between universities and the public. They discuss causes of the chasm: humanities shifting from teaching to research, insular theory-driven discourse, rising college costs, and market pressures that displace a "hermeneutics of beauty." They argue imagination has been reduced to entertainment, digital media erodes attention, and art is evolutionarily vital. Adam describes his dialogic, analytic-spiritual-creative classes (e.g., Eliot's Four Quartets) and concludes with hope that cultural "turns" and renaissances can emerge from dark periods through renewed engagement with beauty and art. Adam Walker is a public scholar and recent Harvard PhD graduate who specializes in the spiritual dimensions of poetry. After stepping away from the traditional academy , he founded the Versed community, a platform dedicated to making university-level literature accessible to everyday readers. Through his teaching and growing YouTube channel , Adam advocates for the close reading of poetry as a transformative spiritual practice. He believes that engaging with art and beauty is essential to awakening from our modern "materialist slumber" and actively champions the arrival of a "Second Renaissance". Website Substack YouTube Versed Resources: Rainer Maria Rilke Abigail Adams Institute William Wordsworth Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 02:30 Adam's background and mission 05:30 Why the chasm exists 13:30 Hermeneutics of beauty 16:00 Imagination and spirituality 21:30 Digital age attention crisis 23:30 Art is not optional 33:30 Inside the Verse classroom 38:30 Dialogue and Platonic loop 41:30 Poets as presence 42:30 War poems and culture 43:30 Credibility and imitation 46:00 Translucent language 48:00 Theosis and greatness 49:40 "The encounter with the angel doesn't leave you the same. You walk away with a limp for the rest of your life, and you have to be okay with that". 51:30 Spinoza aspect shift 54:00 Poetry as transformation 55:30 Embodied confirmation 57:00 Returning to the cave 01:04:00 Wordsworth awakens spirit 01:07:30 Next talk questions 01:09:30 Hope and renaissance Explore courses and teachings from The Lectern https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support the Lectern and join a growing community of wisdom seekers https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Follow John Vervaeke: Website | Twitter | YouTube | Patreon Thank you for watching!

Lectern Q&As are monthly live sessions where members of the Lectern community explore the practical application of cognitive science, philosophy, and contemplative practice in everyday life. These conversations typically feature John Vervaeke and Ethan Hsieh responding to questions from the community. In this session, Ethan is joined by Mark Miller to discuss Mark's upcoming course Generations of Joy, and to explore how philosophical practice and developmental insight can deepen meaning across generations. Participants can submit questions in advance or ask them live on camera during the session. Past recordings are available for members who want to revisit ideas or follow the ongoing thread of conversation within the Lectern community. Join the Lectern community and access past sessions here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/membership Generations of Joy is now open for registration on The Lectern: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/generations-of-joy

Can the meaning crisis be addressed by transforming how we perceive reality rather than what we believe about it? In this episode, John Vervaeke and Ethan Hsieh introduce the course Between East and West, which explores Zen Neoplatonism as a dialogical framework integrating Eastern and Western traditions. The course is designed not as a system of belief but as a training in perception, participation, and understanding. Zen offers a path of intimacy, presence, and immanence, while Neoplatonism provides intelligibility, transcendence, and coherence. Together, they form a stereoscopic vision that allows for a renewed encounter with meaning and the sacred. The discussion reframes mysticism, philosophy, religion, and spirituality, while confronting the meaning crisis and the limitations of modern categories. It proposes a shift beyond theism and atheism toward a participatory understanding of reality grounded in insight and practice. Ethan Hsieh is a writer, educator, and dialogue facilitator working across philosophy, cognitive science, and contemplative practice, helping to bridge theory and lived experience. Guest Links Ethan Hsieh: https://sg.linkedin.com/in/ethan-hsieh-828a63240 Join the full course Between East and West https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/between-east-and-west Explore more courses and teachings from The Lectern https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support the Lectern and join a growing community of wisdom seekers https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:00 What is Zen Neoplatonism 05:00 Silk Road origins and Pyrrho 07:00 Mysticism, philosophy, and religion 11:30 Religion as dynamic ecology 12:21 Christianity as a family resemblance network 16:30 Spirituality and the meaning crisis 21:00 Religious philosophy gray zone 26:30 Synergy not syncretism 30:30 Course overview and proposal 32:00 Zen and Neoplatonism stereoscopic vision 38:30 Aporia, koans, and Socrates 44:30 Accessibility beyond East and West 50:30 Sacredness demands accountability 51:00 Singapore religious caution 51:30 Religion and war myths 52:30 Pluralism without conversion 53:30 Attachment theory and faith 57:00 Self versus others in religion 01:00:00 From substance to community 01:05:00 Do I even need this 01:08:30 Fear of losing meaning 01:12:30 Beyond theism and atheism 01:18:00 Meaning beyond morality 01:21:30 Goodness and self transcendence 01:26:00 Neoplatonic ladder 01:27:00 Logos and agape 01:30:00 Practice, way, and identity Follow John Vervaeke https://johnvervaeke.com/ https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke/videos https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

Is reality fully captured by science or are we missing its most essential dimension? In this dialogue, John Vervaeke joins William Desmond and Guy Sengstock to explore the philosophical foundations of meaning, being, and knowing. Their exchange reveals a shared concern that modern frameworks have narrowed our understanding of reality by excluding participatory and relational dimensions. Desmond's "between" metaphysics and Vervaeke's relevance realization converge to illuminate how meaning arises through engagement rather than detached observation. The discussion moves through cognitive science, phenomenology, and ontology while confronting the existential weight of the meaning crisis. Nihilism is reframed not as a final collapse, but as a transitional space that may allow for a renewed encounter with the sacred and the real. The result is a vision of reality that is deeper, more participatory, and more demanding than modern assumptions allow. William Desmond is a philosopher known for his work on the "between" and the nature of being and meaning. His writing integrates Greek philosophy, Christian thought, and Eastern traditions. Guy Sengstock is the co founder of Circling and founder of The Circling Institute. His work focuses on relational awareness and the transformative power of dialogue. Guest Links William Desmond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Desmond_(philosopher) Guy Sengstock: https://x.com/guystocks/status/1936455794452774946 Support the Lectern and join a growing community of wisdom seekers https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Explore practices and programs through Awaken to Meaning https://awakentomeaning.com/ 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 02:00 William Desmond's philosophical journey 08:00 Guy Sengstock and circling practice 13:00 Relevance realization and cognition 18:00 What is relevance 25:00 Being, meaning, and dialogue 41:00 Projection and philosophical pilgrimage 51:00 Daoist perspectives 52:00 Sacred pilgrimage in ancient Greece 54:09 Going away as a way of going home 54:30 Wayfaring and cognition 56:00 Reformation and pilgrimage 56:30 Pilgrimage versus tourism 57:30 The meaning crisis and nihilism 01:01:30 Nihilism as creative opening 01:07:00 Zen and nothingness 01:26:00 Vertical and horizontal nihilism Follow John Vervaeke https://johnvervaeke.com/ https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

Why does the modern pursuit of happiness so often leave people feeling lost? In this episode of The Lectern, John Vervaeke speaks with cognitive scientist Mark Miller about the emerging science of happiness and the deeper architecture of the human mind. Drawing from predictive processing theory, the conversation explores how human beings function as epistemic agents who constantly construct models of the world and themselves. The discussion examines why common cultural narratives about happiness are often misleading and why genuine flourishing requires understanding the underlying cognitive processes that shape perception, motivation, and meaning. Mark introduces the framework behind his Lectern course Generations of Joy, which integrates cognitive science, philosophy, contemplative practice, and modern neuroscience. Mark Miller is a cognitive scientist specializing in predictive processing, wellbeing, and the cognitive science of happiness. He teaches in the psychology and cognitive science programs at the University of Toronto and conducts research with the Center for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies at Monash University. He is also affiliated with Hokkaido University where he contributes to interdisciplinary work on artificial intelligence, neuroscience, and human nature. Mark Miller Website https://www.markdmiller.live/ Cognitive Science https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cognitive-science/ Philosophical Psychology https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/cphp20/current Socrates https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socrates/ Support the Lectern community on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Explore the course Generations of Joy on The Lectern https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/generations-of-joy 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 03:30 Mark's background and research homes 04:30 Course preview Generations of Joy 06:00 Cutting edge meditation science 08:00 Ancient philosophy meets cognitive science 10:30 Defining happiness beyond media narratives 12:30 First principles cognitive framework 15:30 Humans as epistemic agents 17:45 Knowing your owner's manual 18:00 Meaning wisdom and insight 27:00 Addiction despair and course roadmap 28:00 Flexibility and reframing 29:00 Week one the predictive mind 31:00 Dogen on ignorance 33:00 Neuroscience of emptiness 35:00 Weeks two through eight overview 40:00 Why the course matters 43:00 Interlocking crises and relevance 47:30 Doomscrolling drugs and misinformation 50:00 Discernment versus spiritual buffet 51:00 Meditation risks ethics and education 53:30 Off the shelf spirituality critique Follow John Vervaeke Website https://johnvervaeke.com Twitter https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke/videos Patreon https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

Lectern Q&As are monthly live sessions where members of the Lectern community explore the practical application of cognitive science, philosophy, and contemplative practice in everyday life. These conversations typically feature John Vervaeke and Ethan Hsieh responding to questions from the community. In this session, Ethan is joined by Mark Miller to discuss Mark's upcoming course Generations of Joy, and to explore how philosophical practice and developmental insight can deepen meaning across generations. Participants can submit questions in advance or ask them live on camera during the session. Past recordings are available for members who want to revisit ideas or follow the ongoing thread of conversation within the Lectern community. Join the Lectern community and access past sessions here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/membership Generations of Joy is now open for registration on The Lectern: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/generations-of-joy

Is reality fundamentally inert, or is it structured by divine desire? In this episode, John Vervaeke and Zevi Slavin explore the metaphysical vision of Ibn Gabirol and the integration of Jewish thought with Neoplatonism. They examine the claim that all of existence arises through the coupling of matter and form, unified by divine will. The conversation traces the Philosophical Silk Road and reflects on how Ibn Gabirol shaped Christian, Islamic, and Jewish philosophy. At its center is a contemporary challenge: can we recover a shared philosophical language that orients us toward unity without erasing difference? Zevi Slavin is the founder of Seekers of Unity and a teacher of Jewish mysticism and integrative metaphysics. His work engages classical Jewish sources and cultivates cross traditional dialogue grounded in participatory metaphysics. Seekers of Unity YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/c/SeekersofUnity Zevi Slavin on LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/zevislavin Support the work on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Join The Lectern for full length courses and structured learning pathways https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge 00:00 Welcome to The Lectern 02:30 Ibn Gabirol's core metaphysical claims 04:46 Matter and form bound by divine desire 07:30 Zevi Slavin and Seekers of Unity 15:00 Jewish philosophy and identity 24:00 Religious orientation and personal engagement 38:30 Neoplatonism and existential tension 39:30 Existentialism and Jewish identity 42:00 Sacred relationships and divine agency 44:00 Philosophical Silk Road and religious homes 46:30 Jewish Neoplatonism and divine desire 49:30 Divine agency and Jewish mysticism 57:00 The paradox of universal and particular 01:12:00 Toward a shared philosophical language John Vervaeke https://johnvervaeke.com https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke https://x.com/drjohnvervaeke

In this episode of The Lectern, John Vervaeke sits down with Zevi Slavin to explore the radical metaphysics of Ibn Gabirol and the role of divine desire at the heart of reality. Ibn Gabirol, also known as Avicebron, was a major figure in Jewish Neoplatonism whose philosophy reshaped medieval thought across traditions. His view that matter and form seek each other through divine desire challenges mechanical models of existence and reintroduces relational depth into metaphysics. John and Zevi examine how Gabirol's ideas intersect with Jewish mysticism, medieval philosophy, and contemporary discussions about consciousness and meaning. They explore the tension between universal truth and particular tradition, and whether unity requires sameness or whether difference itself can be sacred. This conversation invites listeners to reconsider whether reality itself is structured by longing, participation, and sacred relationship. Support John's work on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Want to go deeper? Join the Lectern platform on Teachable for full-length courses, guided series, and structured pathways into the ideas explored here. Enroll here: https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 02:30 Key concepts in Ibn Gabirol's philosophy 04:46 Matter and form bound by divine desire 07:30 Zevi Slavin and Seekers of Unity 15:00 Jewish philosophy and Neoplatonism 24:00 Philosophy and religious orientation 38:30 Existential identity and engagement 42:00 Faith and sacred relationship 44:00 The Philosophical Silk Road 46:30 Divine desire and agency 49:30 Jewish mysticism and metaphysics 57:00 Universal and particular tension 01:12:00 Philosophical common language

How can ancient spiritual practices be reanimated for modern life? In this compelling episode, John sits down again with therapist Seth Allison to delve deep into the themes of suffering, trust, and growth within the frame of internal family systems therapy and Jungian analysis. Seth discusses his transformative experiences over the past few years, including the impact of previous conversations with John and his own journey through a profound period of liminality. They touch upon voluntary necessity, the role of suffering in cultivating faith, and the transformative power of relationships and community in overcoming personal crises. Seth also highlights the significance of humility in effective leadership and his aspirations for fostering supportive, growth-oriented environments in both personal and professional settings. Seth Allison is a psychotherapist and depth-oriented thinker whose work integrates attachment theory, Internal Family Systems, and Jungian psychology with spiritual and existential inquiry. Drawing from both clinical training and lived experience, he specializes in helping individuals navigate midlife transitions, relational struggles, addiction dynamics, and identity shifts. Seth's approach emphasizes authenticity, relational depth, and the courageous engagement of suffering as a doorway to growth and deeper participation in life. Seth Allison: LinkedIn The Cost of Discipleship Murray Stein The Serenity Prayer 00:00 — Welcome to the Lectern 05:00 — Voluntary necessity and spiritual depth 08:00 — Bonhoeffer's profound insights 11:00 — Personal reflections and resonance realization 25:30 — Exploring liminality and midlife transitions 29:54 — You can't serve money and God, and money doesn't just mean money, it means ego, success and accomplishment. 52:00 — Hermes and the concept of love addiction 52:30 — The arena of partnership and self-discovery 54:00 — Addiction and attachment strategies 56:30 — Faith and recovery: a new perspective 58:30 — The role of symbols and sensory experience 59:30 — Transcendence and metanoia 01:07:30 — The importance of community in recovery 01:18:30 — Navigating betrayal and suffering 01:35:00 — Leadership and humility 01:44:00 — The subversive power of trust --- Want to go deeper? Join the Lectern platform on Teachable for full-length courses, guided series, and structured pathways into the ideas explored here. John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ Twitter: https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke/videos Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Thank you for Listening!

In this episode of The Lectern, John Vervaeke and host Ethan Hsieh explore what Ethan calls the "Underground Man" problem. How we can get trapped in endless abstraction, lose contact with lived meaning, and oscillate between inflation and collapse. They unpack the reflectiveness gap (hyper-reflection that disconnects us from motivation), how the imaginal bridges the abstract and the embodied, and why the cultural severing of transcendence and finitude fuels cycles of nihilism, indecision, and irresponsible action. The conversation also dives into the cognitive science of dissociation including volitional vs. pathological forms. Showing how disruptive strategies can support transformation when followed by reintegration. The Q&A then turns toward prayer and ritual: how they can go wrong as "vicious abstraction," and how they can go right as re-centering a dialogical practice that reconnects us to reality, responsibility, and compassion. This episode also includes an important announcement: this will be John's last Lectern Q&A for a while. Over the next few months, Mark Miller will host Lectern Q&As while his course runs on the platform. Sign up for Lectern (Teachable) and explore current courses: https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome + Lectern Live Q&A begins 01:00 Format: pre-submitted questions + YouTube chat + call-in option 02:20 Announcement: John stepping back; Mark Miller hosting upcoming Q&As 03:05 Who Mark Miller is + why his course matters 06:00 The "Underground Man" problem + the reflectiveness gap 09:40 Phenomenology: inflation, collapse, depression, nihilism, atrophy of agency 17:35 Culture-level pattern: severing transcendence and finitude 19:50 Why "more abstraction" doesn't fix it 20:40 Non-duality, recentering, and the return to the lived 25:35 Dissociation + predictive processing + relevance realization 27:20 Dialogical self ("I-positions") + narrative binding across agency/selfhood/personhood 31:00 Self-organizing criticality + pivotal mental states 33:25 Volitional vs. pathological dissociation; reintegration vs. fragmentation 36:45 Being/non-being interwoven; mortality and transformation 38:45 Prayer/ritual: vicious vs. virtuous abstraction 44:45 A concrete example of re-centering prayer 51:55 Primordial vs. ultimate; intuition/insight/inspiration and the sacred 01:06:10 YouTube chat: sports/flow as an ecology of practices + sportsmanship 01:08:05 YouTube chat: how John re-centers (Søren / orientation-level flow) 01:13:05 YouTube chat: "Underground woman" problem + caregiving inflation/collapse 01:20:05 Closing + next Q&A with Mark Miller (date mentioned in episode) John Vervaeke is a professor, philosopher, and cognitive scientist whose work focuses on the meaning crisis, relevance realization, and the cognitive science of wisdom. His research bridges cognitive science, philosophy, and contemplative traditions to explore how humans cultivate insight, agency, and deep transformation. Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner working at the intersection of performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. He is the creator of TIAMAT, a three-tier developmental framework integrating cognitive science, dialogical philosophy, and embodied practice. Through immersive learning environments and collaborative inquiry, Ethan helps individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life—emphasizing participatory sense-making, metacognitive mapping, and shared agency. John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ Twitter: https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke/videos Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John's work, please consider joining our Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

In this episode of The Lectern, host Ethan Hsieh sits down with philosopher and cognitive scientist Mark Miller to explore the science of predictive processing and its implications for happiness, meaning, and wellbeing. They unpack how the brain is not a passive receiver of reality, but an active prediction engine—constantly generating its best guesses about the world and updating them through experience. From belief formation and perception to resilience, virtue, play, and mindfulness, the conversation bridges cutting-edge cognitive science with ancient contemplative wisdom. Together, Ethan and Mark discuss how understanding the predictive nature of the mind can transform how we relate to uncertainty, cultivate agency, and develop a deeper, more participatory sense of happiness—both individually and collectively. This episode also introduces Mark Miller's upcoming course, Generations of Joy, which explores these ideas through neuroscience, philosophy, and contemplative practice. Sign up for the course: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/generations-of-joy 00:00 Welcome back to The Lectern 02:30 Mark Miller's background and research focus 06:00 Predictive processing and cognitive science 09:00 Belief, perception, and meaning-making 10:18 "You're not seeing the world—you're seeing your best guess about the world." 13:00 Course overview and key themes 27:00 Honesty, virtue, and transformation 39:30 Practical applications and course dynamics 41:30 Real-world implications of science 43:00 Emptiness, neuroscience, and insight 43:30 The frame problem in cognitive science 45:30 Optimism vs. pessimism: locking onto the world 46:30 Training the mind to discern 47:30 The interpretive nature of reality 52:00 The role of play in cognitive development 56:00 Managing uncertainty through play 01:12:30 Mindfulness and emerging evidence 01:22:00 The Transformational Neuroscience course Mark Miller is a philosopher and cognitive scientist whose work bridges philosophy, neuroscience, and contemplative science. His research explores how the predictive brain shapes happiness, wellbeing, and meaning in a technologically saturated world. He is a Senior Research Fellow at Monash University's Centre for Consciousness and Contemplative Studies (Australia), cross-affiliated with the Psychology Department at the University of Toronto (Canada), and a visiting researcher at Hokkaido University's Centre for Human Nature, Artificial Intelligence, and Neuroscience (Japan). Website: https://www.markdmiller.live/ Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner working at the intersection of performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. He is the creator of TIAMAT, a three-tier developmental framework integrating cognitive science, dialogical philosophy, and embodied practice. Through immersive learning environments and collaborative inquiry, Ethan helps individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life—emphasizing participatory sense-making, metacognitive mapping, and shared agency. His work with the 5toMidnight collective focuses on building deliberately developmental communities grounded in relational ontology and lived philosophical transformation.

Thank you for joining us live for this month's Silk Road Seminar, featuring Kevin Lu and Anderson Todd. Kevin Lu is a Jungian psychoanalyst, lecturer, and scholar whose work bridges analytical psychology, philosophy, and religious studies. As a senior lecturer at the University of Essex, his research explores symbolic thought, depth psychology, myth, and individuation, with a focus on reintegrating Jungian wisdom into contemporary conversations around meaning and transformation. Anderson Todd is an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto, teaching in Cognitive Science and Buddhism as well as Psychology and Mental Health. With a background spanning philosophy, complexity science, and transformative practice, Anderson brings clarity and rigor to questions of wisdom cultivation, existential resilience, and mental health. Together, Kevin and Anderson bring a rare synergy of psychological depth and cognitive precision to the Silk Road Seminar, offering insight into meaning-making and transformation in the modern world. Silk Road Seminars are live, hour-long conversations hosted by John Vervaeke, weaving together ideas from cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, and wisdom traditions. Each seminar is streamed live on YouTube and followed by an exclusive Q&A where participants can engage directly with John and the guests. To be entered onto the guest list for the live Q&A, sign up at the Gamma Tier (or above) on The Lectern: https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge University students (undergraduate through doctoral level) receive free access to the Q&A. Email proof of student status to: ethan@vervaekefoundation.org Students added to the guest list also receive access to previous Silk Road Seminars. If you'd like to support John's work through a goodwill donation, consider joining the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke John Vervaeke online: https://johnvervaeke.com/ https://twitter.com/drjohnvervaeke https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

In this episode, John welcomes Mark Vernon to discuss his two books, 'Dante's Divine Comedy: A Guide for the Spiritual Journey' and 'Awake: William Blake and the Imagination'. They explore the profound psychological, philosophical, and spiritual insights offered by Dante and Blake, touching upon topics like pilgrimage, the imaginal, and the role of the imagination in renewing perception. Mark shares his experiences and how these works resonate with contemporary cognitive science and spirituality. The conversation delves deep into understanding the connections between ancient wisdom and modern thought. Mark Vernon is a writer, psychotherapist, and philosopher whose work explores the meeting point of spirituality, psychology, and philosophy. Based in London, his background in physics, theology, and psychotherapy shapes a multidisciplinary approach that bridges ancient wisdom traditions with contemporary understandings of the mind and meaning. 🔗 Learn more about Mark Vernon's work: markvernon.com Instagram Linkedin Awake: William Blake and the Power of Imagination — by Mark Vernon The Divine Comedy — by Dante Alighieri A World in a Grain of Sand — William Blake's poem reference ("Auguries of Innocence") — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:00 Discussing Dante's Divine Comedy 02:30 Exploring William Blake's work 04:00 Mark Vernon's background and inspirations 07:00 The philosophy and impact of pilgrimage 10:00 Dante's pilgrimage and personal experiences 19:00 The nature of Dante's poem 24:30 Addressing controversial topics in Dante's work 31:00 The in-between and the imaginal 33:30 Triston's predictive processing 35:00 The brain's predictive nature 35:30 Deep learning and pattern recognition 36:00 Metacognition and future self 38:30 Blake's visionary experiences 39:00 The power of imagination 41:02 41:02 "We don't hear sound waves — we hear meaning. That's how strong the imaginal is." 56:00 Confident imagination and fierce critique — The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Pilgrimage as a Path of Transformation The Divine Comedy as a Map of the Soul Knowledge Through Transformation, Not Proposition The In-Between and the Imaginal Realm Cleansing the Doors of Perception The Renewal of the Senses Theoria as Pilgrimage and Contemplation Innocence, Openness, and Inner Vision The Descent as a Hidden Ascent William Desmond – Philosopher of the Between Charles Taylor – A Secular Age Henri Corbin – The Imaginal vs. The Imaginary Ibn 'Arabi – Sufi Visionary of the Heart Plato – Theoria and the Methu Aixis C.G. Jung – Synchronicity and the Soul's Descent Seeing God Again for the First Time – John Vervaeke The Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 12 – The Faces of God The Philosophical Silk Road and Pilgrimage as Practice The Camino de Santiago and Shikoku Pilgrimage The Covenant of Return – Integration and Homecoming Threshold and Passage as Spiritual Acts The Face of the World and the Call to Change Your Life — Follow John Vervaeke: Website | Twitter | YouTube | Patreon — Thank you for watching!

Thank you for joining us live for this month's Silk Road Seminar, featuring JP Marceau. JP Marceau is a philosopher and author specializing in the integration of Neoplatonism, Thomism, and Cognitive Science. With a Master's degree in the Philosophy of Mind, his work emerges from a personal and intellectual journey that moves from early materialism and reductionism toward a non-reductionist, participatory understanding of reality. His research focuses on bridging abstract philosophical frameworks with lived religious practice, particularly within a renewed vision of Christianity. He is the author of Post-Reductionist Christianity: A Path of the Meaning Crisis, where he uses the language of cognitive science to articulate and defend a Platonic vision of Christianity. JP is also a frequent collaborator with Jonathan Pageau and contributes to The Symbolic World through French-language content, helping extend symbolic and participatory approaches to meaning-making. In this seminar, JP explores the limitations of reductionism and materialism, offering an alternative framework grounded in relational ontology, symbolism, and participatory knowing. The conversation moves through topics such as the hard problem of consciousness, the role of myth and symbolism, the contrast between substance-based and relational metaphysics, and the integration of Eastern and Western Christian thought. At its core, the dialogue points toward a vision of reality rooted in love, transformation, and the co-participation of the human and the divine. Silk Road Seminars are live, hour-long conversations hosted by John Vervaeke, weaving together ideas from cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, and wisdom traditions. Each seminar is streamed live on YouTube and followed by an exclusive Q&A where participants can engage directly with John and the guest. To be entered onto the guest list for the live Q&A, sign up at the Gamma Tier (or above) on The Lectern: https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge University students (undergraduate through doctoral level) receive free access to the Q&A. Email proof of student status to: ethan@vervaekefoundation.org Students added to the guest list also receive access to previous Silk Road Seminars. If you'd like to support John's work through a goodwill donation, consider joining the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke John Vervaeke online: https://johnvervaeke.com/ https://twitter.com/drjohnvervaeke https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

To learn directly from Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to… perceive what matters regulate in real time and act with clarity …through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness. Learn more about the program here: https://www.5tomidnight.org/offerings/tiamat-x https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x In part three of the Lectern Dialogues series, John Vervaeke and Ethan Hsieh explore how virtue can be cultivated as a lived, embodied practice through an immersive ecology of education. The focus is on layered accounts of virtue — civic, purification, and illumination — and the role of ritual, altered states, and phenomenology in shaping meaning and sacredness. The conversation also addresses the risks of deification, authenticity loss, and cult dynamics, inviting a participatory, relational understanding of education oriented toward wisdom and agency. Ethan Hsieh Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner whose work bridges performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. As the creator of TIAMAT—a three-tiered developmental framework—he integrates insights from performance practice, cognitive science, and dialogical philosophy to help individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life. Through immersive training containers and collaborative inquiry, he guides participants in mapping their inner experience, expanding their relational capacities, and enacting what he calls "postures of presence." Ethan's approach emphasizes participatory learning, metacognitive mapping, and the cultivation of agency through shared practice. His work with the collective 5toMidnight seeks to foster deliberately developmental communities grounded in relational ontology, where philosophical understanding becomes lived transformation. — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 02:00 Exploring virtue and sacredness 04:00 Layers of virtue and practice 06:00 Rituals and altered states of consciousness 10:30 Phenomenology and the sacred 18:00 Transformative insight and lived experience 30:30 Being-in-the-world and interconnectedness 38:00 Framework rejection and deification concerns 40:30 Ego, deification, and demonization 41:00 Virtue and the ego's filtration function 44:00 Addressing cult dynamics 46:00 Identifying healthy traditions and practices 51:30 Realness, resonance, and authenticity 55:00 Logos and the Good 01:06:00 The value of embodied experience — Follow John Vervaeke https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke — Thank you for watching!

Thank you for joining us LIVE for this special Lectern Launch Event with Nicole Baden and Dr. John Vervaeke. Nicole Baden is a contemplative teacher, somatic practitioner, and long-time collaborator within the ecology-of-practices community. Her work focuses on integrating embodiment, meditative discipline, trauma-informed techniques, and transformative dialogue into cohesive pathways for personal and interpersonal growth. Nicole's teaching draws from a diverse lineage of contemplative traditions while remaining grounded in modern cognitive science, offering students practices that cultivate presence, resilience, and deeper relational intelligence. She serves as a central facilitator in the emerging praxis-based ecosystem surrounding John's work, helping individuals bridge the gap between insight and lived transformation. Nicole has contributed to multiple training programs, workshops, and practice communities dedicated to cultivating wisdom, awakening meaning, and fostering healthier patterns of being in the world. Her approach emphasizes sincerity, stability, and the cultivation of embodied understanding. Her new channel featuring Dharma talks, guided practices, and reflections: https://www.youtube.com/@TatsudoNicoleBaden https://youtu.be/csh7WDsEuC4?si=4qD2gfBUw2ds4JWA Dharma Academy — Nicole's Online School Courses, teachings, and practice resources offered by Nicole: https://dharmaacademy.com/ Crestone Mountain Zen Center Nicole Zen practice center in Colorado: https://www.dharmasangha.org/ Silk Road Seminars and Lectern Events are live gatherings where John weaves together his latest theoretical explorations, practical frameworks, and community initiatives with contributions from distinguished guests. These sessions stream live on YouTube and are followed by an exclusive Q&A where participants can ask questions directly to John and his guest. To be included on the Q&A guest list, you can join at the Gamma Tier (and above) on The Lectern: [https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge](https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge) Free Student Access: Currently enrolled university students at all levels (up to doctoral studies) receive free access to the Q&A. To join, email your proof of student identity to: [ethan@vervaekefoundation.org](mailto:ethan@vervaekefoundation.org) If you would like to support John's work purely out of goodwill, please consider joining the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrJohnVervaeke YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke

Learn more about the program here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x Led by Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to... • perceive what matters • regulate in real time • and act with clarity …through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness. Learn more about the program here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x

Led by Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to… perceive what matters regulate in real time and act with clarity …through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness. Learn more about the program here: https://www.5tomidnight.org/offerings/tiamat-x https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x In part two of the Lectern Dialogues series, Ethan introduces two ex-participants, now facilitators-in-training, Rens and Ellie, as the discussion continues on how to bring virtuosity to virtue and transform philosophical understanding into a way of life. The focus is on Ethan's TIAMAT process, a three-tiered pedagogical approach integrating performance and cognitive science into living practices. The conversation dives into the importance of overcoming habitual thought patterns, unlocking agency, and the participatory nature of this transformative work. Through shared experiences and reflections, they contrast the program's approach to that of traditional therapy, emphasizing complexification, relational ontology, and distributed trust and empowerment. The episode illustrates the depth and communal aspects of Tier 2 of TIAMAT and its impact on personal growth and relationships. Ethan Hsieh Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner whose work bridges performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. As the creator of the TIAMAT process—a three-tiered developmental framework—he integrates insights from performance practice, cognitive science, and dialogical philosophy to help individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life. Through immersive training containers and collaborative inquiry, he guides participants in mapping their inner experience, expanding their relational capacities, and enacting what he calls "postures of presence." Ethan's approach emphasizes participatory learning, metacognitive mapping, and the cultivation of agency through shared practice. His work with the collective 5toMidnight seeks to foster deliberately developmental communities grounded in relational ontology, where philosophical understanding becomes lived transformation. — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:00 Introducing Ethan's collaborators: Rens and Ellie 02:00 The TIAMAT process: Integrating virtuosity and virtue 03:00 Ethan's journey and collaborations 07:30 Rens's and Ellie's backgrounds and contributions 11:00 Meta maps and philosophical frameworks 12:04 "Meta maps are a kind of structure for your metacognition to be able to at least have touch points to map your experience." 15:00 The role of participation and feedback 26:00 Therapy vs. TIAMAT: a comparative discussion 40:00 Exploring ambiguity and complexity 42:30 Therapy and empowering agency 46:00 Deliberately developmental civilization 47:30 Shadow work and its misconceptions 52:00 Tier two dynamics and personal growth 01:06:00 Facilitating and participating in growth — Follow John Vervaeke https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke — Thank you for watching!

In this livestream, John relected on the past year, walk through important updates to the Lectern platform, preview upcoming courses, and share a major announcement: Led by Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to… perceive what matters regulate in real time and act with clarity …through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness. Learn more about the program here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x