Men of the Hearts

“We should not be discerning our vocations just by ourselves. We need the help of other people who love us and have the best in mind for us.” Fr. Paul Graney joins Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to share his journey to the priesthood. He describes the “light-switch moment” in his college dorm that sparked his discernment and reflects on the importance of mentors, community, and the desire to belong to something bigger than yourself. His story highlights how God uses every part of our lives—even hockey and pickup trucks—to draw us toward our vocation. (0:25) Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew open the episode, recorded on the feast of Sts. Simon and Jude, by welcoming their guest, Fr. Paul Graney. The trio catch up on recent events in their lives and joke about the fact that Fr. Paul and Fr. Craig are often mistaken for each other. The conversation turns to Fr. Paul’s modified F-150 and love of playing hockey. (08:30) Fr. Paul recalls growing up in Oxford, playing backyard hockey on the rink his dad built, and the joy of his high school varsity team’s first big win. He then shares how skiing trips with friends led him to a non-denominational youth ministry that he increasingly attended throughout high school.  (18:11) Fr. Paul explains how his Protestant youth minister encouraged him to consider ministry, something he initially rejected due to a fear of public speaking. While attending Oakland University, he experiences a sudden interior prompting: “Do you want to be a pastor?”  (27:40) Fr. Paul attends a small evangelical Bible program, learning Scripture, learning to preach, and serving in soup kitchens. He eventually moved to New York City and got a job at the Starbucks at Rockefeller Center, across the street from St. Patrick’s Cathedral. This led to an impromptu meeting with the priest and a return to the Sacrament of Confession and the Catholic faith. (50:03) Fr. Paul attended a discernment weekend at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, where Fr. Tim Birney, the vocations director, encouraged him to live the Catholic faith for a few years while continuing to discern the priesthood. Once he finally entered the seminary, his biblical background helped him navigate the shift from a Protestant to Catholic understanding of Scripture. (56:03) Fr. Paul recounts how his godfather and parents responded to his return to the Church, and how his renewed faith eventually drew them back to regular Mass attendance.  (58:24) Fr. Paul offers advice to men discerning the priesthood: stay close to the sacraments, listen, seek mentors, and immerse yourself in parish life. He concludes by reflecting on the gift of belonging to the “team” of Jesus Christ and the fraternity of the priesthood. He then closes the episode with a prayer for all discerning men and for the Church’s priests.

The Lord said, “Fine. You keep on shutting the door. I'm just going to take the hinges off the door and take the door away.” Fr. Rich Dorsch joins Fr. Craig Giera to share his vocation story, with cohost Fr. Drew Mabee absent from the podcast this month. Fr. Rich reflects on his path from altar serving as a child to hearing and accepting God’s call to the priesthood. He and Fr. Craig also discuss the importance of prayer, community, and perseverance in discernment, and how even health challenges can become encounters with God’s mercy. (0:25) Fr. Craig welcomes Fr. Rich Dorsch of St. Hugo of the Hills Parish. Fr. Rich shares early lessons from ministry, including learning to see challenges as opportunities, and moments during Mass and confession when he feels overwhelmed by God’s love for His people. (3:17) The priests reflect on how wearing the Roman collar often draws strangers to conversation, even when they are running personal errands. Fr. Rich describes how these moments remind him of community and the presence of faith even in ordinary settings like grocery stores and gas stations. (5:56) Fr. Craig shares about a recent discernment gathering, emphasizing how men often begin to hear God’s call in their mid-20s. Both priests encourage listeners not to fear that they are “too old” to discern and to trust that God works through every season of life. (8:40) Fr. Rich remembers a difficult and overwhelming first time altar serving, an experience that almost made him quit. Later, he gets involved in campus ministry at Grand Valley State University. (15:36) As Fr. Rich’s faith grows, friends, family, and even his girlfriend suggest the priesthood. Though resistant, he begins to recognize that his deepest joy comes from serving in the Church. After college, Fr. Rich works in hospital emergency transport and later joins his family’s dental insurance company.  (26:13) A young man recognizes Fr. Rich from a hospital interaction that helped bring his family back to faith. Fr. Rich says that after years of him firmly closing the door to the priesthood, it was like the Lord had removed the hinges and taken the door away, awakening in Fr. Rich the certainty of his vocation. (31:28) Fr. Rich begins taking evening theology classes and attending daily Mass before finally enrolling in Sacred Heart Major Seminary. The priests discuss some of the challenges of adapting to seminary structure and community life, and Fr. Rich admits he nearly left twice before learning to go all in on his discernment. (50:09) Fr. Rich recalls how some health challenges and dietary restrictions became unexpected avenues of grace and early ministry. His time in the hospital also deepened his compassion for those who suffer and helped him unite his priesthood with Christ’s own suffering on the Cross. He then offers some advice to young men discerning the priesthood and closes the episode with a prayer.

“It's in the midst of all the struggle that the Lord really draws us ever closer to His Most Sacred Heart.” Fr. Bryan Shackett joins Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to share his vocation story. Fr. Bryan reflects on his journey from resisting the priesthood to embracing God’s call, the importance of prayer and confession in his discernment, and how teaching church history has deepened his faith. Along the way, the priests swap stories about parish life, discuss American Catholic history, and even dive into Tolkien’s wisdom on faith and perseverance. (0:24) The episode opens with lighthearted banter over energy drinks and the “cross” of small inconveniences. Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew welcome Fr. Bryan to the podcast studio. He shares how he balances parish responsibilities with teaching at Sacred Heart Seminary and later touches on his love of history and J. R. R. Tolkien. (2:12) Fr. Bryan explains the courses he teaches, including U.S. Church history and the age of iconoclasm. The priests reflect on the importance of art and beauty as a window into the divine, safeguarding the truth that God became man. This sparks a discussion on how religious imagery serves as catechesis for the faithful. (5:38) The conversation turns to the anti-Catholic laws in the colonies and how difficult it was for priests to minister. Figures like Archbishop John Carroll and Fr. Gabriel Richard are highlighted as courageous leaders who built the foundation of the Church in America.  (11:51) Fr. Bryan says that the study of history is important because God “broke into history” to bring about our salvation. Thus, learning Church history helps Catholics understand their family story and see God’s hand at work. (12:38) Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew share humorous ministry moments, including “incensing through the plants” and Fr. Craig’s beard-themed homily.  (15:57) Fr. Bryan segues to his vocation story, recounting how, as a college student, he initially resisted suggestions that he might be called to the priesthood. A discernment weekend at the seminary, prayer before the Blessed Sacrament, and gentle encouragement from his pastor began to open his heart. He describes experiencing God’s love in a powerful way, even when he was reluctant to accept it. (26:54) Through confession, adoration, and spiritual direction, Fr. Bryan slowly broke down the obstacles he had placed before God. He recalls the pivotal experience of World Youth Day in Sydney, where his call to the priesthood was confirmed in a profound way. Mary’s intercession and the support of faithful mentors helped him find peace in saying “yes.” (56:26) Fr. Bryan offers his advice to men discerning the priesthood and offers a brief reflection on the life and writings of J. R. R. Tolkien. Then, he closes the episode with a prayer of thanksgiving.

“Just be open to the Lord’s will.” Fr. Patrick Bruen joins Fr. Craig and Fr. Andrew to share his second vocation story. Following a 40-plus-year marriage, the death of his wife, repeated encounters with the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and lots of prayer led to hearing God’s call to the priesthood. In this episode of Men of the Hearts, Fr. Bruen talks about the challenges and blessings of the vocations of marriage and the priesthood and of the experiences of his first few months as a priest. 0:25: Fr. Craig and Fr. Andrew welcome this month’s guest, Fr. Patrick Bruen, a priest of the Archdiocese of Detroit who was ordained in June of this year and serves at Our Lady of Good Counsel Parish in Plymouth. The three share how they’ve spent the summer. Fr. Craig, who became Vocations Director in 2020, mentions that Fr. Pat is the first man he has guided all the way through the discernment process—from entrance to ordination. 3:26: Fr. Craig asks Fr. Pat to reflect on his recent ordination and the first few months of his priesthood. Fr. Pat shares how he’s somewhat surprised by how much he loves celebrating Mass and that the most fulfilling part of his ministry is hearing confessions. 12:23: Fr. Pat tells his vocation stories: first as a husband and father and, following the death of his wife, his call to the priesthood. He shares how, from the time his wife went into hospice care, he kept encountering the Sacred Heart of Jesus. These encounters continued, eventually leading to his decision to enter the seminary. 17:49: Fr. Pat talks a little about the role his parents had in shaping his faith, particularly his father, who was a permanent deacon for the Archdiocese of Detroit. 22:25: Fr. Craig and Fr. Pat discuss the ebb and flow of vocational discernment. 25:09: Fr. Pat, Fr. Craig, and Fr. Andrew talk about the difference between pursuing what we think will make us happy versus pursuing what God wants for us. 38:56: Fr. Craig and Fr. Pat talk about the conversations they had early in Fr. Pat’s discernment of the priesthood and, particularly, the differences in discernment for a man in his mid-fifties versus a young man in his late teens or early twenties.  44:07: Fr. Pat talks about his time at St. John XXII Seminary in Boston, a seminary specifically for older men studying for the priesthood. 46:34: Fr. Craig asks Fr. Pat how his family—especially his children—have reacted to his discernment, time in seminary, and ordination. 51:32: Fr. Pat shares a powerful experience he had during a Holy Hour a short time before he was ordained. 59:25: Fr. Pat closes the episode with a blessing.

“Don't be afraid of your heart—God's working there.” Fr. Colin Fricke joins Men of the Hearts podcast hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to share how he discerned his call to the priesthood through the grace of the sacraments, unexpected encouragement from the Archbishop of Detroit, and appreciating the joys of everyday life. He reflects on how these blessings and more helped him grow in confidence and freedom, ultimately leading him to say “yes” to God’s call. (0:25) Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew kick off the episode with a joyful welcome to Fr. Colin Fricke, a priest of the Archdiocese of Detroit who serves at St. Anastasia. The trio swaps stories about recent summer activities, including fireworks, parish life, and addressing the ongoing need for vocations in the Archdiocese of Detroit. (1:24)  Fr. Colin shares how he celebrated the 4th of July with his family in Grand Rapids, where he enjoyed fireworks, sparklers, and wiffle ball with his nieces and nephews. He talks about the blessing of spending time with loved ones and witnessing their joy. He then talks about the joy he finds in playing volleyball, which leads to a discussion about how simple passions like sports can become powerful tools for evangelization. (8:34) Fr. Colin begins his vocation story by recalling the moment he watched a priest elevate the Eucharist at Mass and thought to himself, “I want the big Eucharist.” At the time, he didn’t fully understand what that meant, but looking back, he recognizes it as one of the first seeds of his vocation to the priesthood. He then talks about growing up in Grosse Pointe, attending Mass regularly, and being inspired at his Confirmation to start reading the Bible.  (16:00) Fr. Colin describes himself in high school as reserved and uncertain about his identity. In college, he began going to confession more regularly and discovered healing through that sacrament. While studying at Siena Heights University to become a teacher, Fr. Colin became involved in campus ministry, where others would occasionally suggest that he consider the priesthood. One day, while walking up the stairs to his dorm, he interiorly heard, “You should be a priest,” a moment that reignited the call he had sensed as a child. (22:00) After college, Fr. Colin began teaching in Catholic schools. He reflects on how the experience gave him a front-row seat to the joy of children, a gift that helped him understand how God sees us and invites us to be ourselves. As he continued teaching, Fr. Colin began reading St. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body, where he learned about authentic love, the beauty of the human person, and the gift of masculinity in service to others. (34:00) Fr. Colin started spending more time in Eucharistic adoration, especially at Our Lady Star of the Sea Parish, where he encountered a faithful group of praying mothers who encouraged him. He also received encouragement from an unexpected source: The Archbishop of Detroit, after visiting Fr. Colin’s school, sent the young man a personal letter encouraging him to consider the priesthood. (38:30) Father Colin entered seminary in 2014, joining a class of men that included many of his friends today. Seminary was both a confirmation of his call and a time of deep personal growth. He learned to be more emotionally honest, to recognize and process his anger, and to live with greater freedom. He offers his advice to young men discerning and closes the episode with prayer.

“Stop trying to figure it all out and trust… Just take that courageous step to not be afraid and see what’s on the other side of your yes.” Fr. Mark Livingston joins Men of the Hearts podcast hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to talk about his unique vocation story. Raised Catholic but distant from the faith for much of his young adult life, Fr. Mark’s journey to the priesthood was sparked by a 30-day prayer commitment and included a life-changing pilgrimage to Medjugorje, quiet hours in adoration, and encouragement from his pastor. (0:02) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee welcome listeners and introduce their guest, Fr. Mark Livingston. Fr. Mark begins the episode discussing the unique beauty and history of his parish buildings, built with stones collected by farming families. He reflects on the culture of small-town ministry, from parish festivals and county fairs to kids showing off their lambs and pigs. (11:50) Fr. Mark looks back on his life growing up Catholic in Detroit, before the divorce of his parents in his teen years led him to drift from the Church. Despite academic and professional success, he felt spiritually empty and far from God. He made a 30-day prayer commitment with a glow-in-the-dark rosary and experienced a powerful encounter with the Holy Spirit that sparked his return to the Church. (17:00) While on a pilgrimage to Medjugorje, Fr. Mark had a dream that led to a profound experience of healing while praying the Stations of the Cross. (27:45) Jesus in the Eucharist became a place of refuge, healing, and growing intimacy for Fr. Mark. His pastor at the time, Fr. Bob McCabe, had “a huge, huge influence” on his discernment for the future, opening his eyes to the possibility of a later vocation to the priesthood. He spent time discerning with various religious communities before realizing that he was being called to the diocesan priesthood.  (36:15) Fr. Mark reflects on two serious relationships from young adulthood, including one that lasted nearly eight years. He talks about the challenge of ending those relationships when he sensed that God was calling him to a different vocation. (44:20) Fr. Mark shares about his time at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, touching on some of the challenges he faced being older than many men who pursue the priesthood. He advises those entering seminary to do so with a humble heart, willing to be stretched and shaped by God. (49:15) The episode concludes with reflections on healing, formation, and the need to bring one's whole self before Jesus in discernment. Fr. Mark encourages listeners—especially older men—to trust that God can use every part of their story to build something beautiful. He then closes the episode with a prayer.

“If I had a thousand lives to live, I’d want to live every one of them as a priest.” Detroit's new Archbishop Edward Weisenburger visits the podcast studio to share his vocation story with Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee, hosts of the Men of the Hearts podcast. Recording on the historic day of Pope Leo XIV’s election, Archbishop Weisenburger reflects on where he was when he heard the news, his past encounters with Popes Benedict XVI and Francis, and his anticipation of receiving the pallium in Rome. He discusses his early call to the priesthood, formative seminary years, ministry across several dioceses, and his advice to young men discerning the priesthood. (0:25) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee introduce a very special guest for this episode, Detroit’s new Archbishop Edward Weisenburger. As the episode is being recorded on the day of Pope Leo XIV’s election, Archbishop Weisenburger begins by recounting where he was when he heard the joyful news of the first American pope in the history of the Catholic Church.  (6:06) Archbishop Weisenburger looks back on some of the many ways Pope Francis made a difference in his life as a priest and bishop. He describes his ad limina visits to the Vatican as a bishop to meet with Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis. He then looks ahead to his next trip to Rome this summer, when Pope Leo XIV will present him with his pallium—a blessed, thin white band of woolen fabric worn over his shoulders, a symbol of sheep being laid on the shoulders of the shepherd. (16:02) Archbishop Weisenburger expresses his gratitude for the smooth onboarding process following his arrival in the Archdiocese of Detroit. He also touches on the importance of prayer in the life of a priest. The group briefly revisits where they were when they heard the announcement of Pope Leo XIV: Fr. Drew was driving to Sacred Heart Major Seminary and trying not to crash from excitement; Fr. Craig was crowded around a bakery television with other patrons, and Archbishop Weisenburger was stopped by joyous strangers while walking through the airport.  (21:38) The group segues to Archbishop Weisenburger’s vocation story, which he calls “boring.” The seed was planted very, very early in his life, as he was always intrigued at Mass. He only attended Catholic school for one year, as a second-grader while his dad served as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. However, the family was very involved in parish life. He remembers dressing as an altar server for the first time in third grade: “It just hit me. I felt more right in that moment than anything [else] I had done.”  (28:54) Archbishop Weisenburger recalls that his life “kind of exploded” in seminary college. He was interested in tennis and racquetball, loved to read, and made friendships that still stand today. The academics were intense, which prepared him well for his subsequent theology studies at the American College of Louvain, a Roman Catholic seminary in Leuven, Belgium. At his first assignment as a priest, he remembers attending Anointing of the Sick calls late at night with his pastor.  (38:59) Archbishop Weisenburger recalls visiting home midway through his studies in Belgium, a point at which he decided to go “full speed ahead” toward the priesthood. The group spends some time discussing his calls to become Bishop of Salina, Bishop of Tucson, and Archbishop of Detroit. Then, revisiting his time as a priest in Oklahoma City, Archbishop Weisenburger recalls ministering to the family of Blessed Stanley Rother. (49:38) Archbishop says he is grateful for the twists and turns of his ministry, recalling a pastor who once told him “anything that can be learned in life can be used by God.” He remembers serving alongside religious sisters from Mexico in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing.  (55:24) Fr. Craig asks if Archbishop Weisenburger feels the prayers of so many people in the Archdiocese of Detroit and beyond. The Archbishop confirms that these prayers are why he’s “still standing.” Fr. Craig says those who pray, particularly the elderly, are “the powerhouse of the church.” Archbishop Weisenburger then shares his advice for young men discerning the priesthood, borrowing the words of a priest he knew in Oklahoma: “If I had a thousand lives to live, I’d want to live every one of them as a priest.” He then closes the episode with a prayer and blessing.

“This call is unique, and beautiful, and special, and adventurous, and amazing for anyone who wants to take it on.” Fr. Jaime Hinojos visits the podcast studio to share his vocation story with Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee, hosts of the Men of the Hearts podcast. He reflects on his journey from childhood in Chihuahua, Mexico, to the priesthood in the Archdiocese of Detroit. The conversation touches on cross-cultural ministry, the role of mentorship, and practical advice for those exploring the priesthood. (0:26) Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew welcome listeners and introduce their guest, Fr. Jaime Hinojos. They share Easter celebrations, reflect on the passing of Pope Francis, and remark on the richness of the Easter Vigil with newly baptized and confirmed members. Fr. Jaime expresses his admiration for Pope Francis and describes how the pope's pastoral love and simplicity left a deep mark on his soul. (4:25) Fr. Jaime shares the inspiration behind his own podcast, “TheoScience,” which blends his love of theology and background in engineering. He discusses how faith and reason are complementary, not opposed. He notes that his podcast is mainly in Spanish but occasionally features English content as well. (10:59) Fr. Jaime recounts how his spiritual journey began with a male prayer group in Chihuahua, Mexico. His prayer life intensified through music, Scripture, and personal reflection. He describes a mystical experience in which he heard the word sacredote, Spanish for priest, during deep prayer and saw himself vested in green — an early confirmation of his call. (20:20) Fr. Jaime’s early discernment continued to develop through his participation in an all-night Eucharistic adoration group. A providential connection through a friend led him to Fr. Bob Wurm in Michigan, setting his journey to the U.S. priesthood in motion. (28:26) Fr. Jaime credits a “pioneer spirit” with his decision to pursue the priesthood in the U.S. rather than Mexico. He remembers making little headway speaking with a religious order. He emphasizes the value of perseverance in discernment and shares the advice he received from spiritual mentors who encouraged him not to leave the seminary, even during hard times, unless asked to leave. (33:48) Fr. Jaime recalls learning the importance of presence over agenda when ministering to the sick. All three priests discuss how growth comes through challenge and change, encouraging young men to remain faithful in their discernment journey through any setbacks or confusion. (48:49) Fr. Jaime emphasizes the need to foster a culture of vocations in the Hispanic community and shares how he regularly encourages young men to consider the priesthood in joyful and lighthearted ways. He then describes the warmth and vibrancy of Hispanic Catholic culture — marked by food, family, and deep reverence for blessings. (52:00) Fr. Jaime offers advice to men discerning: Pray before the Blessed Sacrament and don’t carry fear about failure. He shares how a priest once told him, “You don’t have to be a priest,” liberating him from anxiety and allowing him to freely embrace his calling. His parting message encourages discerners to be joyful, flexible, and faithful. He then closes the episode with a prayer.

"If it's a true call from God to become a priest, you're not gonna be able to shake it. He's gonna keep coming for you." Fr. David Kidd, Director of Diocesan Priestly Vocations for the Diocese of Toledo, joins Men of the Hearts hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to talk about his journey to the priesthood. Looking back, he realizes God started preparing him for the priesthood when he was an altar server in childhood, but his path detoured through college, dating, and a deployment overseas before finally leading him to the doorstep of the Pontifical College Josephinum seminary in Columbus. He shares how five years studying in Rome opened his eyes to the universality and longevity of our faith and offers his advice to men discerning the call to priesthood in their own lives. (0:27) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee introduce their guest this month, Fr. David Kidd, Director of Diocesan Priestly Vocations for the Diocese of Toledo. Fr. Drew kicks off the episode by sharing that his parish recently finished The Rescue Project with the community’s young adults, spending a few weeks in small groups “unpacking the Lordship of Jesus.” Fr. David then shares some recent blessings in his life.  (10:52) Fr. Drew shares some recent events at his parish, including Lenten penance services, Alpha gatherings, and Archbishop Edward J. Weisenburger’s installation as Archbishop of Detroit. Fr. Craig hosted a discernment weekend attended by men from the Archdiocese of Detroit as well as other nearby dioceses, while also working on an art project he plans to submit to Divine Child High School’s upcoming art show. (16:45) Fr. Craig asks for Fr. David’s vocation story. Fr. David is the oldest of four children and grew up in Lima, Ohio. He reflects on his experience as an altar server, through which he says God began preparing him for the life of a priest. He first considered the priesthood in senior year of high school, after visiting the Pontifical College Josephinum seminary in Columbus. He became more serious about his discernment in college, shortly before being deployed to Kuwait with the National Guard.  (27:49) While in Kuwait, Fr. David regularly attended Mass on base, where a chaplain sensed his possible vocation to the priesthood. While home on R&R, Fr. David finally met with the vocations director and submitted an application to seminary just two days before returning overseas.  (37:56) After Fr. David received his Bachelor’s in Philosophy in Columbus, his bishop invited him to further his studies at the Pontifical North American College in Rome, Italy. He recalls getting a strong sense of the universal Church sharing classes with students from all over the world. He also remembers being in awe visiting churches older than the United States: “People have been living and dying for this faith for a long time.”  (50:05) While Fr. David never seriously doubted his vocation during his five years in Rome, he did struggle being away from family without regular visits for so long. This challenge helped him develop his relationship with God, trusting in Him and in His plan—leaning on God rather than on his own abilities. He then offers his advice to men discerning the priesthood: take small steps in your discernment, like developing good prayer habits, getting a spiritual director, visiting a seminary, going on retreat, reading spiritual books, and journaling. “All those little steps along the way bring clarity.” (57:48) Fr. Craig thanks Fr. David for joining, and Fr. David closes the episode with a prayer.

“The priesthood is beautiful. Keep thinking about it. Keep praying about it. It’s worth it.” Fr. Pieter vanRooyen, pastor at St. Joseph Parish in Ypsilanti and an assistant professor of theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, joins Men of the Hearts hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to talk about his journey to the priesthood. Having been raised in a nominally Catholic household, it wasn’t until he was in college at Michigan State University that Fr. Pieter first began thinking about the priesthood. He shares how his devout grandmother, a high school friend, and a campus Christian group influenced his growing faith and helped open his eyes to his priestly vocation. (0:27) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee introduce their guest this month, Fr. Pieter vanRooyen, pastor at St. Joseph Parish in Ypsilanti and an assistant professor of theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary. He shares some recent blessings, like participating in Exodus 90 with the men of his parish. Fr. Drew shares his own experiences with Exodus 90. Our hosts and their guest then talk about Fr. Pieter’s interest in motorcycles. (8:53) Fr. Craig, who serves as Director of Priestly Vocations at Sacred Heart, talks about a recent dinner and evening prayer with Archbishop Vigneron, attended by more than 200 young men discerning the priesthood. Fr. Drew pauses to express gratitude for Archbishop Vigneron’s years of ministry and slips in an invitation for Archbishop-designate Weisenburger to be a guest on the podcast after he’s installed as Archbishop of Detroit on March 18.  (10:22) Fr. Pieter begins sharing his vocation story. He grew up in a nominally Catholic household—he was baptized and received First Communion and Reconciliation, but attended Mass mostly on holidays and was not confirmed as a young teen. When he was in high school, his family moved closer to his devoutly Catholic grandmother, who taught him about the faith and arranged for him to be confirmed.  (18:37) Fr. Pieter talks about breaking up with a steady girlfriend and feeling “crushed” by the loss, but ultimately asking himself whether he had “made an idol” of the relationship. He explores the difference between preparing for marriage and casually dating. Even married couples should look to God, not their spouse, as their ultimate source of satisfaction. (22:59) Fr. Pieter enrolled at Michigan State University in the fall of 2001 on a scholarship from the Air Force through ROTC. Within weeks of the semester starting, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks occurred and Fr. Pieter considered dropping out and enlisting. After some thought, he decided to stay in school. He began attending Mass periodically with a suitemate as well as a Bible study.   (30:26) Fr. Pieter recalls spending spring break in Panama City, Florida to attend a Campus Crusade for Christ conference, during which students were sent out “two-by-two” to share the Gospel with beach-goers. One fruit of this trip was Fr. Pieter began praying every day: “Jesus, I give this day to you.” He also began to seek answers about his Catholic faith and returned to Reconciliation for the first time since second grade. (42:12) During the summer before his sophomore year, Fr. Pieter lived with his grandmother in Chicago. It was during this time, while at Adoration with his grandmother, that he first asked God what he should do with his life. In response, the thought unexpectedly came into his head to be a priest. Fr. Pieter shares how he initially dismissed the thought but later told his grandmother, who helped connect him with a priest to explore the vocation. (54:07) After a few years of discernment and living in accordance with Church teachings, Fr. Pieter graduated from MSU and entered Sacred Heart Major Seminary in 2004. He was ordained a priest for the Diocese of Lansing six years later. The group spends some time talking about how a person’s conversion can come dramatically and suddenly, like the conversation of St. Paul, or more gradually, like a sunrise.  (59:21) Fr. Pieter shares what a young man can expect from the academic, spiritual, and recreational life at Sacred Heart. He also shares his advice to young men considering the priesthood. The episode closes with a prayer.

“Take the next step, whatever that might be.” Fr. Mario Amore joins Men of the Hearts hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee to talk about his journey to the priesthood. His path was full of twists and turns, with stops in altar service and music ministry. After applying to Sacred Heart Major Seminary and subsequently delaying enrollment for two years, Fr. Mario finally took “the next step” to answer God's call.  (0:26) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Mabee introduce their guest this month, Father Mario Amore, Director of Evangelization and Missionary Discipleship for the Archdiocese of Detroit who also serves as a priest in solidum for the Resurget Cineribus Family of Parishes, which includes St. Aloysius, Old St. Mary’s, and the Cathedral of the Most Blessed Sacrament. Fr. Amore reflects on his last few months, including Christmas and the annual SEEK conference.   (6:55) Fr. Mario is no stranger to podcasts, having previously hosted the Archdiocese of Detroit’s I AM HERE podcast in support of the National Eucharistic Revival. Our hosts join Fr. Mario in a discussion about some of the beautiful stories shared through that effort. Fr. Mario also shares his experience hosting the Certifiably Catholic podcast alongside Mary Wilkerson and Mike Chamberland, current hosts of Archbishop Vigneron’s Eyes on Jesus podcast. (12:25) Fr. Drew and Fr. Craig reflect on their last few months. Fr. Drew has been “learning the lay of the land” at his assignment in Novi and recently had dinner with his brother and a longtime friend. Meanwhile, Fr. Craig has been encouraged by increasing attendance at Sacred Heart Major Seminary’s recent Discernment Weekends. The group also talks about the significance of altar serving to encourage vocations to the priesthood. (20:12) Fr. Mario shares his vocation story. He attended Catholic school as a child and attended Mass every Saturday evening with his family, “doing whatever I had to do to embarrass [my parents].” Still, he remembers his maternal grandfather predicting that he would become a priest one day. He started serving the parish as an altar server before taking a detour into music ministry as a teenager. Ultimately, his interest in theology led him to explore taking classes at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, which he calls his “first foot in the door” of discerning the priesthood.  (33:11) Fr. Mario recalls attending a discernment weekend at Sacred Heart. He was already familiar with the academic experience of the seminary, having taken classes since high school, but his discernment weekend affirmed for him that he could find joy in the brotherhood and community of Sacred Heart. After working in a parish for two more years, Fr. Mario finally decided to apply to become a seminarian—but waited and discerned another two years before officially entering the seminary. (44:53) Fr. Mario talks about his time as a seminarian at Sacred Heart, his ordination in 2015, and celebrating his first Mass at St. Pius X in Southgate on the anniversary of his baptism at the same church. He also touches on what it’s like to serve both as a parish priest and Detroit as Director of Evangelization and Missionary Discipleship for the Archdiocese of Detroit. He then offers his advice to men considering the priesthood: “Take the next step, whatever that might be.” The episode concludes with a prayer and blessing.

“Recognize that the Apostles were just fishermen. They were just tax collectors. They were sinners. They were imperfect, normal dudes like you.” Fr. Pierre Konja joins Men of the Hearts hosts Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew to talk about his journey to the priesthood for the Chaldean Eparchy of St. Thomas the Apostle in Detroit. He encourages young men in discernment to “go to the Gospels” and allow themselves to “fall deeply in love with God.” (0:26) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Maybee introduce their guest this month, Father Pierre Konja, a Chaldean priest from the Eparchy of St. Thomas the Apostle in Detroit. Father shares about the Eparchy, an ecclesiastical province separate from the Archdiocese of Detroit but still in communion with the Holy Father.  (4:36) The group discusses vocations work as Father Konja reflects on his time serving as vocations director. He connects the role of the priesthood with fatherhood, particularly for vocations directors who are tasked with helping young men discern and preparing future priests for “the fruitfulness and the challenges and the joys of the priesthood.” Fr. Konja then segues into sharing his own story of discerning his vocation to the priesthood.  (7:54) Fr. Konja’s journey to the priesthood was straightforward: “I've always loved God. I always went to church, and then fell in love with God, and then I wanted to serve God.” He also shares the advice he gives to seminarians that also applies to everyone seeking their vocation in life: Go to the Eucharist, go to the Word, and go to the Gospels. Fr. Drew and Fr. Craig provide updates on their lives and ministries. (13:10) Conversation turns back to Fr. Konja’s early life and vocation story. Born and raised in Detroit, he attended Catholic school and went to church regularly with his family. He felt challenged in his faith while attending University of Detroit Jesuit for high school, but continued to pray and attend daily Mass periodically. The group then talks about the strong culture of faith in the Chaldean community. (19:57) Fr. Konja recalls first considering the priesthood during his junior year of high school, inspired by his theology teacher who first introduced him to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. He shares his devotion to Thérèse of Lisieux, especially her “Little Way” spirituality. He recalls going on a pilgrimage to Rome during the summer after graduating from high school, and later attended Oakland University while continuing to discern the priesthood. He ultimately applied and entered the seminary a year later. (29:34) Fr. Konja talks about the diversity of clergy in the Chaldean Church, with some who have immigrated here and others who are American-born. While some may draw distinctions between these groups, Fr. Konja says there is great unity within the clergy community. Father Craig remarks that no two days are the same as a priest, especially as a vocations director. Fr. Konja then talks about the Eastern Catholic Evangelization Center, a lay-run evangelization ministry overseen by the Eparchy. (34:30) The group discusses how Chaldean men are able to join religious orders. There is also a Chaldean women’s order called Daughters of Mary Immaculate. They then discuss Marian consecration and the need for every priest to have a relationship with the Blessed Mother. Fr. Konja talks about efforts in his parish to livestream Masses and reach people through social media. (39:01) Fr. Konja talks about spending a year in an Iraqi seminary serving as assistant to the rector and reflects on some of the differences he saw between the Iraqi and American Christian communities. He gives his advice to young men trying to hear the Lord. The episode concludes with an invitation for listeners to visit a Chaldean church to experience a new expression of our shared faith, and then a prayer and blessing.

“Discernment will always produce a great bouquet of God's glory.” Fr. Jim Kean joins Men of the Hearts hosts Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew to talk about his “cradle Catholic” childhood, serving alongside Mother Teresa, and appreciating the gifts of the priesthood. He encourages young men in discernment to “be not afraid,” because no matter their vocation, it is certain that God has something special in store for them. (0:25) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Maybee introduce their guest this month, Father Jim Kean, who currently serves at St. Joseph the Worker in Lake Orion and St. John Fisher University Chapel in Auburn Hills. Father Jim shares about his summer, including a road trip through Ohio to the National Eucharistic Congress with one of our former guests, Fr. Brian Cokonougher.  (7:57) Fr. Drew says he continues to settle in at his new assignment at Holy Family in Novi, where he has already been busy blessing houses and sharing dinner with parish families. Father Craig talks about attending the recent National Conference of Diocesan Vocation Directors in Minneapolis.  (12:09) Fr. Jim talks about his early childhood in Emmett, where his family life centered around the local parish. He was an altar server for many years and also played basketball, football, and baseball. He recalls his father often responded to fights between the five siblings by taking the kids to Confession.  (16:36) Fr. Jim first considered the priesthood at a high school party, when a friend asked him about the vocation. He continued on to college at St. Clair Community College, staying involved in his faith by reading about the lives of the saints, training to become a catechist, and lectoring at Mass. Still unsure of God’s will for his life, Fr. Jim eventually moved to Miami, Florida to serve with a community following a contemplative approach to Mother Teresa’s spirituality.  (25:18) Fr. Jim continues his vocation story, sharing how he moved to Rome to serve directly alongside Mother Teresa. He reflects on how her humbling, palpable holiness helped him realize that holiness is universal. During this time, he matured in his exercise of the faith and discovered how living a Christlike example allowed him to feel “fully alive.”  (34:16) Shortly after Fr. Jim returned home from Rome, his pastor invited him to a “come and see” weekend at Sacred Heart Major Seminary. (The seminary has three of these discernment weekends coming up in October, January, and March; listeners are encouraged to visit detroitpriestlyvocations.com for more information.) He officially entered seminary the next year and spent the next several years in formation and discernment, before finally being ordained a priest of the Archdiocese of Detroit in 1997.  (43:50) Fr. Jim shares what he considers to be some of the greatest gifts of the priesthood, including his congregational connection to his parishioners, standing in the person of Christ at the altar, and living in constant union with Jesus Christ. He recalls a moment one summer Sunday afternoon when he was struck by the holiness of the moment and vividly recalled feeling similarly as a child while honoring the Lord’s Day with his family.  (54:00) The episode concludes with Fr. Jim’s advice to young men considering the priesthood. “Be not afraid. Be confident that the Lord has something special in store for you. Discernment will always produce a great bouquet of God's glory.” He then closes the episode with a prayer.

“Whatever my own plans for myself are, [they] are nothing compared to His plan for me.” Fr. Clint McDonell joins Men of Hearts hosts Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew to talk about the people who influenced his priestly discernment, his role as Director of Undergraduate Seminarians at Sacred Heart Major Seminary, and his love of teaching Latin. He closes the episode with his advice to young men considering the priesthood: Talk, pray, read, and work.  (0:26) Hosts Fr. Craig Giera and Fr. Drew Maybee introduce their guest this month, Fr. Clint McDonell. As a member of the Sacred Heart Major Seminary faculty, Fr. McDonell has been preparing for the upcoming academic year while also taking some time to rest. He shares about a recent trip to see friends in South Bend, Indiana, where he celebrated Mass and had lunch with Gianna Emanuela Molla, daughter of St. Gianna Beretta Molla. The conversation then turns to Fr. Clint’s love of teaching Latin at Sacred Heart. (13:59) Fr. Drew provides an update on his new assignment at Holy Family Parish in Novi, where he’s been struck by how deeply parishioners love the Lord and by what he calls a “good communal connection” between the multicultural congregation. Meanwhile, Fr. Craig has just returned from the annual seminarians’ retreat at Manresa with Archbishop Vigneron.  (19:49) Fr. Clint is asked to share his vocation story, which begins at age 10 or 11 when he first began serving as an altar boy because he “just wanted something to do during Mass.” He started to appreciate what was going on during the liturgy and had a great role model of the priesthood in his pastor, Fr. Ed Prus. He first thought about attending the seminary while in high school, but ultimately took a full scholarship to university before finally enrolling at Sacred Heart. (27:20) Fr. Clint talks about individuals who influenced his vocation to the priesthood, including his parents, his childhood pastor, a single conversation with a college roommate, and the Blessed Mother herself. He also talks about some of the hobbies he has maintained as a priest, including hiking, camping, and kayaking. (44:38) Fr. Clint shares more about his role at Sacred Heart. In addition to teaching Latin, Fr. Clint serves as director of undergraduate seminarians and is tasked with implementing the “Discipleship Phase” of the seminary’s Program for Priestly Formation. He identifies and defines the four stages of the program: The propaedeutic (or preparatory) stage; the discipleship stage during which a seminarian learns what it means to follow Christ; the configuration during which he is configured to Christ the priest; and the vocational synthesis stage that puts all of this formation together as a man begins to live out his vocation as a transitional deacon before priestly ordination. Our hosts also talk about Sacred Heart’s emphasis on human formation, helping men develop the virtues necessary for the rest of their development into priests. (52:43) Fr. Clint closes the episode with his fourfold advice to young men discerning a call to the priesthood: Talk to your priest, a seminarian, or anyone else who may be considering the same call; pray for the Lord to continue providing direction; read more, shutting everything else off because our noisy world makes it harder to hear the Lord; and work, get a job, and build up a solid foundation of self-accountability and discipline.

“We can bring everything to Him.” Fr. Brian Cokonougher joins Men of Hearts hosts Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew to talk about surrendering to Jesus, discerning his vocation, and serving as a spiritual director to seminarians studying at Sacred Heart Major Seminary. Though he was raised Catholic, Fr. Brian did not consider the priesthood until young adulthood, when his pastor invited him to attend a discernment weekend at the seminary. (0:44) Our hosts introduce this episode’s guest, Fr. Brian Cokonougher, who shares what he’s been up to this summer. He recently completed a road trip through Ohio with a fellow priest, stopping at some churches and the house used to film A Christmas Story. He also caught some of the Eucharistic Congress in Indianapolis, saying it was “exactly what we needed” in the U.S. Church. He highlights a talk about the kerygma and shares how the surrender prayer has become central to his prayer life lately. (11:50) Fr. Brian says he once thought he would have to give up trumpet playing and other hobbies to become a priest. “But then the Lord's given me a myriad of opportunities to play for his glory—at a nursing home, or with the children's choir, or at Mass—in ways that maybe I wouldn't have as a layman. I think that's just a sign of God's generosity for us.” All three priests then discuss taking on new assignments this summer before segueing to Fr. Brian’s vocation story. Though he was raised Catholic, Fr. Brian did not consider the priesthood until young adulthood, when his pastor invited him to attend a discernment weekend at the seminary. (30:10) Fr. Brian talks about receiving his letter of acceptance from Sacred Heart. He highlights what he considers to be four of the seminary’s strengths: community, worship and prayer life, apostolic ministry program, and academics. He shares his assignment history over his 25 years of priestly ministry and then talks about serving as a spiritual director, helping seminarians better understand their discernment process and strengthen their prayer lives. (58:24) Fr. Brian shares his appreciation for the Ignatian Discernment of Spirits, used to distinguish between spirits of consolation and desolation in one’s life. In a light-hearted moment, he recommends all men discerning the priesthood read the Lord of the Rings series for the imagery of being on an important journey, the attacks one can endure, and where to find consolation. His advice to men wondering what seminary is like: “Read ‘The Hobbit.’” (1:00:11) Fr. Brian also shares what he might ask a man who is considering the priesthood: including whether they’re attending Mass each week, regularly attending Holy Hours and praying the Rosary, and who they look up to and why. Also, in this segment, Fr. Brian assures young men that they do not need to have everything together to be serious about discernment: “I would say if you don't have it all together when you enter [seminary], welcome to the club. You’re 100 percent on board with everybody else. We're all growing in our prayer lives and even in how to discern.” Fr. Brian closes the episode in prayer.

“None of the experiences I've had in my lifetime can even for a second match daily Mass, where I'm holding God in my hands.” Join Fr. John Maksam as he shares his vocation story on this episode of Men of the Hearts. Although Fr. John felt a call to the priesthood as a child, his journey included studying law, entering the Navy, serving as a judge, and eventually becoming a priest later in life.  (00:03): Fr. Craig introduces this episode’s guest, Fr. John Maksym. Fr. John shares a recent experience of administering the Anointing of the Sick and witnessing a marriage on the same day. He explains that as a priest, “you are automatically engaged and accepted at every crucial point of a human being's life.” He and Fr. Craig agree that although the life of a priest has many profound moments, it is also true that “people just want to see their priest as a real person.” Fr. John describes the construction of a new chapel at St. Mary’s School in Mount Clemens. (14:55): Fr. Craig invites Fr. John to share his vocation story. Fr. John explains, “I knew I was going to be a priest when I was six years old.” However, he decided in his thirties that he “just wasn't ready” to enter the seminary. Fr. John’s journey included studying law, entering the Navy, and spending numerous years serving as a judge. In 2014, he entered Pope St. John XIII National Seminary.  (28:03): Fr. John shares that his decision to become a priest involved choosing not to marry a wonderful woman. He notes, “I wouldn't sentence my worst enemy to have to make the decision I made ‘cause it was very difficult. But in the end, you know, when God calls, He doesn't stop.” (31:18): Fr. John and Fr. Craig discuss the priestly call to leadership and how that call is lived out through each man’s individual talents and personality. Fr. Craig asks Fr. John about his experiences in the military. Fr. John shares that although he was “incredibly fulfilled” in his career, he knew he was called to become a priest and was ordained in 2018. He describes his first parish assignment and his time studying canon law. (43:27): Fr. John offers discernment advice: “If the Lord's really calling you, you're gonna know it. And never be afraid. Just never be afraid.” He also relates, “None of the experiences I've had in my lifetime can even for a second match daily Mass, where I'm holding God in my hands. Nothing matches that.” Fr. John ends the episode with a prayer. 

“Discernment is not about vocation. First, it's about relationship.” Fr. Andrew Dawson joins Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew in the Men of the Hearts studio. Raised in England by a Protestant family, Fr. Andrew’s journey led him to America, the Catholic Church, and ultimately, the priesthood. (0:01): Our hosts welcome this episode’s guest, Fr. Andrew Dawson. Originally from Yorkshire, England, Fr. Andrew now shepherds Prince of Peace Parish in West Bloomfield. The priests discuss aspects of English culture, Fr. Drew’s upcoming parish assignment, and Fr. Craig’s recent opportunity to share some of his artwork. (16:49): Fr. Andrew explains that he grew up in a Protestant family in England and lacked “real commitment to the faith” as a teenager. While attending an English college, he had the opportunity to work at Camp Santa Maria in Michigan through an exchange program. Fr. Andrew eventually came back to America to work for the camp full-time.  (29:45): While working in America, Fr. Andrew went from attending Catholic Masses regularly to only attending when his job required it. One day at Mass, “I had this really powerful experience of God saying to me, ‘There you are. I've been waiting for you. Welcome back.’ And I knew at that moment, looking at the priest holding up that host, that that was not what I thought it was. That in my background, in my upbringing, this host is a representation of Jesus. I knew that wasn't right…I knew there was more there.” (35:01): After a brief return to England, Fr. Andrew felt called to “mission,” went back to America, and entered RCIA. Despite some doubts, he became Catholic: “I asked myself the question, ‘Is that Jesus in the tabernacle?’ I said, ‘Yes, that's enough. The rest comes later. That's enough. I can't say no to that.’” (41:37): Fr. Andrew was told, “You should be a priest,” not long after he entered the Church. He initially rejected the idea but gradually became more open to it: “I got to the point where I was so intrigued by what this would look like and what this would mean…And I realized it was taking up all of my spare time.” Fr. Andrew eventually entered the seminary and was ordained in 2017.  (54:29): Fr. Andrew passes on two pieces of discernment advice. First, “Discernment is not about vocation. First, it's about relationship. Like, don't try to figure it out. Work on your relationship with God.” Second, “One way of describing faith or defining faith is our capacity to be surprised by God…Are you prepared to go with God to the extent that he wants you to go?” Fr. Andrew closes the episode in prayer. 

“I think vocations really come from the Holy Eucharist.” Join Fr. Jeff Day as he shares his vocation story on this episode of Men of the Hearts. Influences on Fr. Jeff’s journey to the priesthood included the faith of his family, the sacrament of Confession, and the Holy Eucharist.  (0:02): Fr. Craig welcomes listeners and introduces this episode’s guest, Fr. Jeff Day. The priests catch up: Fr. Jeff talks about the Divine Mercy devotion, Fr. Drew relates small mishaps from the Easter Vigil, and Fr. Craig shares the blessing of seeing a seminarian ordained to the transitional diaconate. (7:06): Fr. Jeff shares his vocation story, which started with his reception of First Communion in second grade and his desire to become a priest in eighth grade. While attending the University of Michigan, he “rediscovered” his Catholic faith. During his senior year, “I really started to pray about what I was supposed to do, like what was God asking me to do?” Although Fr. Jeff initially felt unworthy, he started to discern a priestly vocation after going to Confession for the first time in years. Fr. Jeff discusses the impact that his family’s practice of the faith had on his vocation. (21:26): Fr. Drew and Fr. Craig highlight the impact of Confession, God’s mercy, and college life on vocations. Fr. Jeff talks about his experience as a seminarian: “There really was a lot of joy…we had a lot of fun together.” He shares that a challenge he faced prior to entering seminary was a fear of preaching. He told God, “You're going to have to take care of this somehow,” and his trust was rewarded.  (34:39): Fr. Drew asks Fr. Day about the impact of the Eucharist on his vocation. Fr. Day says, “That has always been part of my identity as a Catholic.” He shares that praying in front of the Eucharist as a priest “is what sustains me in my own daily prayer life” and that “over the years in my own celebration of the Eucharist, I've been drawn to bring a lot more reverence and attentiveness to what I'm doing.” He affirms, “I think vocations really come from the Holy Eucharist.” Fr. Day discusses the experiences of becoming a pastor and participating in a priestly fraternity.  (48:32): Advice to a discerning man: Fr. Jeff encourages monthly confession, frequent Mass attendance, and consistent prayer. He also advises involving the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph in discernment: Our Lady “teaches us how to say ‘yes,’” and St. Joseph “wants to help men today be men.” Fr. Jeff concludes the episode with a prayer.

“It's been a crazy, beautiful, amazing adventure, and amidst the difficulties or the uncertainties, it's always absolutely been worth it every day.” Fr. Adam Nowak joins Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew to share his vocation story. Although he initially resisted his vocation, Fr. Adam eventually became certain that God was calling him to become a priest.  (0:02) Fr. Craig and Fr. Drew introduce this episode’s guest, Fr. Adam Nowak. Fr. Adam describes his upcoming assignment at St. Anne Parish in Warren, Fr. Drew highlights his recent pastoral work, and Fr. Craig mentions a recent discernment weekend at Sacred Heart Seminary. (9:20) Vocation story: Fr. Adam grew up Catholic, but “the faith wasn't very overtly practiced” in his home. In high school, he started attending a youth group with his girlfriend and soon “fell in love with God and His Church.” Fr. Adam entered college intending to become a psychologist. He felt a call to the priesthood during his freshman year but ignored it for a time. Eventually, he realized, “When I thought about the future, and I thought about being a psychologist, I still felt empty. When I thought about the priesthood…there was nonstop excitement, there was joy, there was fulfillment.” Fr. Adam attended a discernment weekend, felt “100% sure” of his vocation, and applied to the seminary. (22:18) Just before entering seminary, Fr. Adam made a pilgrimage on the Camino. That experience taught him, “I can't do this, but God can do this in me and through me and with me…I can't be a priest except with and in and through Jesus, who gives me the strength and the grace to do so.” The priests discuss the support that Fr. Adam received from his parents, his call to the priesthood, and how he ended his relationship with the woman he was dating as he “became more confident in accepting that call.”  (32:18) Fr. Adam shares that “being a priest was nothing like I had ever anticipated nor expected…Nothing can actually prepare you for entering into the messiness of the lives of people.” He explains, “The priesthood is difficult. It's joyful, it's beautiful, but it's not easy. But at the same time, God gives the grace necessary for it.” Fr. Craig affirms that “prayer is key.” Fr. Adam describes his various assignments and explains that he is currently completing two business degrees. He desires to use his administrative gifts to serve St. Anne Parish. (44:30) Fr. Adam advises men who are struggling to answer the call to the priesthood: “What's key is taking time to pray and listen, to really listen to the desires of your heart.” He suggests Ignatian discernment and shares that when he struggled with his own call, “my prayer changed from ‘Lord, what do you want me to do with my life?’ to ‘Lord, give me the strength to accept what you're calling me to do with my life.’” He affirms that priesthood has “been a crazy, beautiful, amazing adventure, and amidst the difficulties or the uncertainties, it's always absolutely been worth it. Every day.” Fr. Adam closes the episode in prayer.

“Jesus is my rock. And he’s the source of that joy.” Join Fr. Jim Houbeck, Associate Pastor of Resurrection Parish, as he shares his vocation story. Although he had previously dismissed the idea of becoming a priest, a clear vocational call amid a crisis led Fr. Jim to follow God into the seminary.  (0:03) Fr. Craig welcomes this episode’s guest, Fr. Jim Houbeck. Fr. Drew thanks listeners who have shared positive feedback about Men of the Hearts. The priests share recent blessings: Fr. Jim talks about offering the Lenten Lamentations devotion at Resurrection Parish, Fr. Drew describes his recent ministry experiences and Fr. Craig highlights the well-attended Evening Prayer and Dinner with the Archbishop event.  (13:57) Fr. Jim is invited to share his vocation story. As a child, he experienced several different desires about what he wanted to do when he grew up. In high school, Fr. Jim attended a discernment weekend at Sacred Heart Seminary. However, he “felt like a fish out of water” and left the weekend early. He studied elementary education in college and eventually had “a big crisis” about his future career. He relates, “Amid that chaos, there was a voice as clear as day. And that voice said, ‘What about the priesthood?’” Fr. Jim quickly decided to withdraw from college and apply to seminary. (29:24) Fr. Craig, Fr. Drew, and Fr. Jim discuss thoughts about dating, priestly discernment, and responding to God’s call. Fr. Drew advises, “If Jesus is calling and you think you have a call, then go test it,” and “If for some reason you find out that's not the call, then you can freely go into the world and begin to take up the vocation of marriage.”  (38:10) One summer, Fr. Jim lived at SS. Peter and Paul Parish in North Branch. Over that summer, he grew close to a local family who became his “spiritual family.” He says, “What God showed me is that though I'm not called to be a dad or a husband, He will provide.”  (42:55) Fr. Craig asks Fr. Jim what his prayer life was like when he decided to pursue the priesthood. Fr. Jim explains, “My understanding of being Catholic was I go to church on Sundays, I pray before I go to bed, I pray before meals, and that's it.” Fr. Drew says, “I don't think we're saying that you shouldn't have a life of prayer. By all means. But it's just to say that God is big enough and powerful enough that we have to be open to the reality that even if you're not quite doing all the things you ought to be doing, He can still show up and put something on your heart.”  (57:50) Fr. Craig asks Fr. Jim to advise a man considering the priesthood. Fr. Jim shares the words of a monsignor who influenced his vocation: “I am a happy priest.” He affirms, “No matter what I'm enduring or going through, Jesus is my rock. And He's the source of that joy.” Fr. Jim closes the episode in prayer.