Outside of Sunday

In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I unpack some of the big themes raised in Kristen’s conversation about protecting our kids in a world soaked in technology. We talk openly about our own first exposures to pornography, why it’s no longer just an “adult issue,” and how the internet has become the biggest gateway for children today. We dig into practical questions every parent wrestles with - sleepovers, screens, first mention, and whether we want our kids learning from us or learning from Google. We also talk about what the Bible actually says about sex, how God designed it to be good, and how pornography distorts that design in really destructive ways. This episode might feel a little too honest at times… but my prayer is that it gives you courage to have the hard conversations, wisdom to build real connection with your children, and confidence to walk with Jesus in the messy, modern world we’re navigating together. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 - Coming up 0:51 - Welcome and initial reactions to Kristen’s episode 2:01 - How I first found out about Good Pictures Bad Pictures 5:30 - “Pornography used to be an ‘adult’ issue - it’s not anymore” 7:27 - The only reason pornography has become an issue for children: technology 8:41 - Is technology and the internet bad? (A tool, not safe) 10:11 - We can do everything right as parents - children still need to be able to defend themselves 11:41 - My first exposure to pornography 13:52 - Laura’s decision not to let her children go to sleepovers 15:56 - Laura’s first exposure to pornography 17:51 - Do we tell our children, or do we let Google? 18:58 - The importance of having a good relationship with our children 19:18 - The power of first mention 20:22 - Having “the talk” with my daughter 23:46 - Sex is good 28:31 - Reflecting on Forrest Frank’s experience with pornography 30:39 - We shouldn’t be learning off a screen - we should learn together 32:03 - The Bible promotes good sex 33:44 - Pornography is not good 38:09 - What to do if you’re in a relationship and are tempted 50:07 - Final thoughts on pornography: it is regressive Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. In this week’s episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Kristen Jenson from Defend Young Minds - a leading voice in protecting children from the harms of pornography. Kristen shares how a heartbreaking story of sibling abuse first moved her to create the book Good Pictures Bad Pictures, and we talk honestly about why equipping our kids is one of the most loving things we can do as parents. We unpack why pornography is linked to sexual abuse, how “porn-proofing” actually works, and why starting these conversations early makes such a difference. I also share my own experience with the book and the impact it’s had in our home. From understanding the difference between art and pornography, to knowing what age to begin the conversation, this episode is practical, hope-filled, and deeply needed for every parent navigating the digital world. Website/Books: www.defendyoungminds.com/books  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DefendYM/  Instagram: @defendyoungminds  X: @defendYM LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/defend-young-minds 0:00 – Coming up 0:51 – Introducing Kristen from Defend Young Minds 1:49 – What does Defend Young Minds do? 3:13 – How Kristen first decided to create a book to educate children on pornography 3:36 – Heartbreaking story of sibling abuse 9:27 – Christa’s experience with the ‘Good Pictures Bad Pictures’ book 11:43 – Porn linked to sexual abuse 14:00 – Porn proofing keeps children safe from sexual abuse 18:10 – What does the book look like? 20:31 – The difference between art and pornography 22:13 – What is the right age to start talking to your children about pornography? 29:16 – The harms of pornography Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I unpack some of the themes raised in Charlotte’s testimony - from identity and idols to sanctification and the beauty of a life anchored in Jesus. We share how subtle idols can creep into our hearts, and look at the human condition through the lens of the Israelites, the temptation to put other things before God, and the danger of a “Jesus plus” gospel. Laura and I also speak about the different stages of the Christian walk, extending grace to those with “messy” testimonies while challenging believers to examine what - or who - sits on the throne of their hearts. We wrap up with our personal challenges for the week! Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. Timecodes: 0:00 – Coming up 0:40 – Welcome & recap on Charlotte’s episode 1:50 – Laura’s initial thoughts 3:06 – Having everything you could ever want, but still having Jesus 4:50 – Would I rather lose my husband and be right with God? 5:48 – Who is the anchor for our souls? 8:50 – The human condition reflected in the Israelites 11:33 – Having no other gods before the one true God 16:10 – What are we placing before God & how do we put things back in their proper place? 20:03 – Jesus plus anything else is a false gospel 22:22 – We are all in different stages of our walk with the Lord and sanctification 23:43 – For the judgmental Christians of those with “messy” testimonies 25:55 – Laura’s challenge 26:55 – Christa’s challenge Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Today we pick up on Charlotte's story after hearing part one last week and follow her journey as she returns to New Zealand. From getting engaged and building the life she always wanted to stepping into early married years with a shared Christian faith, life was good! We hear about the dreams she and her husband shared, including their first Bali trip and the hope of living between two worlds, and how Charlotte began thriving in an influencer niche she loved. Everything seems perfect… until 2020 arrives. COVID disrupts their plans, her husband begins deconstructing his faith, and Charlotte finds herself searching for healing outside of Christianity. What follows is a deeply vulnerable chapter marked by their move back to Auckland, the birth of twins, and a heartbreaking betrayal that leads to separation. She shares openly about processing this pain through both new age practices and conversations with the Lord. Charlotte reflects on surrendering her marriage to God and rebuilding her life on the foundation of seeking His Kingdom first. This episode is a testament to God’s pursuit, redemption, and the beauty that emerges when we choose Him above all else. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Previously in Part 1 0:55 – Settling back into life in New Zealand 1:16 – Landing her dream job & discovering healthy parenting 5:02 – Getting engaged & stepping into the “dream life” 6:09 – Early Christian marriage & slowly disconnecting from church 7:45 – First Bali trip & the dream of living between NZ and Bali 9:27 – Growing an Instagram following & thriving in her niche 13:01 – Planning for 2020… then COVID hits 17:07 – Questioning Christianity & her husband’s deconstruction 20:33 – Searching for healing outside of Christianity 26:22 – A surprise third pregnancy 29:37 – A powerful intervention from God 30:59 – Moving back to Auckland & welcoming the twins 33:55 – Betrayal within her marriage 37:28 – Processing separation with the Lord & new age practices 40:33 – Returning wholeheartedly to the Lord 50:26 – Surrendering her marriage to God 1:02:27 – Charlotte’s message: Seek the Kingdom of God first 1:08:00 – How Charlotte lives out her faith beyond Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In today’s Insight episode, we’re reflecting on part one of our chat with Charlotte and talking about why it’s so valuable to hear from believers across the Christian spectrum - different backgrounds, different traditions, and different stages of their walk with Jesus. But our main reflection today is all about Christian parenting. We dive into the swirl of online parenting advice, talk about why discipline isn’t the same as abuse, look at what Ephesians 6 teaches us, and chat through the difference between raising kids who truly love and know Jesus versus “good little Pharisees.” We also touch on our daily need for Jesus - not just to save us (justify) but to grow and shape (sanctify) both us and our children. Oh… AND we are redrawing our giveaway winner at the end. Congrats, Jacinda Corbett! Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming up 0:43 – Intro & welcome 2:02 – Note for new listeners 2:19 – Our core values: Equip, Unite, Reach 2:45 – Reflecting the body of Christ with our podcast guests  3:54 – Listening to other believers 6:12 – My initial reaction to Charlotte’s testimony (part 1) 6:29 – Charlotte’s Mum giving approval to share difficult things from her past  7:41 – Erin Brockavich, that you? 8:02 – End times prepping 8:50 – My main takeaway: Christian parenting 9:25 – Parenting today and positive parenting social media accounts and online resources 10:00 – Discipline is not abuse: abuse is abuse 10:18 – Ephesians 6:1–4 11:00 – When it’s ok for children to disobey 11:45 – Parents, train and instruct “in the Lord” 11:58 – My parenting role model 12:40 – The importance of nurturing and determining success as a parent 13:58 – Perfect Christian parenting influencers 14:57 – “I don’t want my children to grow into good little Pharisees” 16:29 – Inviting Jesus into disciplinary moments 18:56 – Justification and sanctification 21:43 – Redrawing our giveaway! Congratulations Jacinda Corbett Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In part one of our chat with Mum and social media influencer Charlotte (@_charlotteemily__), she shares the story of her life - from a childhood marked by instability to the complicated journey of making sense of her past. Beginning with her Dad’s radical conversion and her parents’ early faith, Charlotte describes how that thread of belief remained through the years, even as her family drifted from church and home life grew increasingly unpredictable. She reflects on the impact of her Mum’s emotional affair, the breakdown of her parents’ marriage, and the role reversals that left her without the stability she needed to prepare for adulthood. As a teen, Charlotte struggled with self-worth, and her first serious relationship beginning in betrayal. When it ended, it triggered a season of rebellion - living in ways she knew weren’t good for her and distancing herself from God. Charlotte also opens up about learning the truth of her Mum’s second affair, her Mum secretly divorcing her Dad, and the shock of being asked to tell her Dad about the divorce. This conversation tells an honest, nuanced story - real, unembellished, and deeply human. It explores how a fragile thread of faith can pull someone through family trauma and rebellion, and what it looks like to slowly rebuild a life shaped by complicated beginnings. There’s more to come next week in part two, where we hear about Charlotte becoming a social media influencer, her marriage, living in Bali, having twins, dabbling in new age and psychic practices, the breakdown of her marriage, and her return to God. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Welcome and introducing Charlotte 1:24 – How I connected with Charlotte 3:57 – Charlotte’s story beginning with her Dad’s radical conversion as a young man 5:35 – How one salvation can impact generations 6:20 – Mum’s Christian background 8:02 – Parent’s decision to leave ‘church’ 9:53 – Unstable childhood 18:15 – Mum’s emotional affair and parents separation 20:11 – Parent role reversal 24:24 – “There was no safety or stability” 25:50 – Mum decides to do a law degree 28:08 – Was Christianity modelled at all? 30:50 – Going to church as a teen and Charlotte’s personal faith 32:40 – Diminishing self worth as a teen 33:48 – Dad’s focus on end times 36:29 – Mum’s focus on keeping home troubles private 37:57 – Unprepared for adult life 39:03 – Charlotte’s deep desire to get married and have children 40:08 – First relationship and betrayal 48:48 – Learning to understand her past and to have the tools for the future 51:38 – Angry with God, rebelling, moving to Sydney 54:03 – Coming home to God 57:19 – The choice to stay in Australia or New Zealand 58:17 – Learning about Mum’s affair 1:00:07 – Mum divorces Dad in secret and Charlotte is asked to tell her Dad about the divorce 1:02:50 – Living with her parents, losing her license Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In part two of our chat with Riley, she opens up about the life-altering moments that shaped her faith - from the tsunami she survived in part one, to (in this episode) the split-second courage it took to help save a drowning man in the middle of a stormy ocean. Riley shares honestly about facing death head-on, what those moments revealed about God, and how they matured her walk with Jesus. We also dive into her journey through singleness - the difference between closed vs open singleness, and why she believes both marriage and singleness are gifts. Riley speaks candidly about the reality that marriage isn’t guaranteed, the beauty of trusting God with your story, and the freedom she’s discovered along the way. She also shares what inspires her to keep telling her story, what she’s been enjoying about podcasting, and how she chooses to live her faith outside of Sunday. Check out Rileys book and ministry at: www.rileywithcourage.com Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Previously 0:45 – Three seconds of courage 3:00 – Resuscitating drowned man in the middle of the ocean 4:50 – Walking away and reflecting on these huge events 10:00 – The reality of being faced with death 11:56 – Riley’s journey maturing in her faith 18:06 – Riley’s journey in singleness 21:29 – Closed vs open singleness 22:09 – “Marriage is a gift and singleness is a gift” 25:15 – Love finds you in your purpose 26:10 – Marriage isn’t guaranteed 29:47 – What inspires Riley to keep sharing her story 31:55 – How to get in touch with Riley and buy her book 32:42 – What has Riley been enjoying about her podcast? 34:25 – How does Riley live her faith outside of Sunday? Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In part 1 of this powerful testimony, Riley Kehoe shares how her childhood trip to Thailand in 2004 turned life-changing. At just ten years old, Riley and her family experienced the 9.1 earthquake and the devastating tsunami that followed - the deadliest natural disaster of the 21st century. From prophetic dreams that led her family to New Zealand, to the moment she saw the wave racing toward them, Riley recounts her story of courage, trauma, and a good God who carried her through it all. With faith, prayer, and miracles along the way, this episode reminds us that even in the midst of extreme disaster, God is so near. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. Click here to go to Riiley's website to purchase her book and learn more about her ministry.  0:00 – Coming up 1:00 – Welcome and introducing Riley 3:13 – The prophetic dreams that brought Riley to New Zealand 5:41 – Giving her life to Jesus at five years old 7:05 – Visiting Thailand in 2004 for mission work and Christmas 8:47 – The 9.1 earthquake and experiencing the infamous Thailand tsunami as a ten-year-old 10:47 – The first sign of something wrong 12:11 – Seeing a thin white line (25m tsunami wave) 12:25 – Mum’s prayer: “God, where are my children?” 13:50 – Seeing the tsunami wave hit and running for their lives 16:08 – The deadliest natural disaster of the 21st century 16:21 – Did this disaster shake Riley’s faith? 18:28 – Doubt can lead us towards Jesus 20:58 – Choosing to stay and help with the rescue effort 23:19 – Coming back to New Zealand 25:17 – Dealing with fear of the ocean 26:08 – Fighting between courage and fear 28:10 – Three seconds of courage Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Aaron and Emma Falconer — the amazing husband-and-wife duo behind Come and Know Me. Their passion for Christ and the gospel is inspiring and I'm incredibly grateful for their mission to platform scriptural truth is such a creative way. It's beautiful.  Aaron and Emma share the heart behind Come and Know Me, the impact it’s having here in New Zealand, and what’s coming next - including the Romans Project and Festival One. They also open up about making music before and after having kids, and offer some real encouragement for other Christian artists on the same journey. Thank you Aaron and Emma! To check out the project and find out more about Aaron and Emma click here. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming up on Outside of Sunday 0:40 – Intro 0:50 – Welcome Aaron & Emma Falconer to Outside of Sunday 1:27 – About Come and Know Me – the heart behind the music 2:35 – Meet Aaron & Emma Falconer – Christian musicians and worship leaders 3:40 – Their time in Dallas and how it shaped their faith journey 6:43 – Coming to faith and following God’s call into music ministry 8:59 – The driving force and inspiration behind Come and Know Me 10:22 – The impact of Come and Know Me across New Zealand’s Christian music scene 12:22 – What’s next: Romans Project, Festival One, and future worship music plans 13:39 – How to connect with Aaron & Emma Falconer online and through ministry 13:58 – Making music before and after having children – faith, family, and creativity 16:31 – Aaron & Emma’s advice and encouragement for NZ Christian music artists Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Today's episode is a sobering one, but such an important listen. I sat down with Tony and Louisa from Child Rescue at the Thinking Matters 'Truth Matters' conference. Child Rescue is an organisation working to locate and free children trapped in exploitation around the world. In this episode you'll hear what this work actually looks like - where the children are being rescued from, how the raids happen, and the heartbreaking reality of the trauma no child should have to endure. One story I can’t stop thinking about is the girl at the green gate - a three-year-old who was being sold online. For two years, one team member devoted himself to searching through Google Maps and walking the streets until he finally found her and was able to orchestrate her rescue from her abusers. We talked about how Tony and Louisa hold onto hope and how their faith sustains and motivates them in their work. If this episode moves you like it did me, please take a moment to pray for the work Child Rescue is doing - and if you can, visit their website (https://www.childrescue.org.nz/) to support or get involved. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 – Coming Up 0:43 – Intro 1:19 – Meet Louisa 1:57 – Meet Tony 2:33 – What Is Child Rescue? The mission behind the organisation and how they fight child exploitation. 6:17 – Where Are the Children Being Rescued? The  places and countries affected most by trafficking and abuse. 9:48 – The Biggest Drivers of Trauma 10:38 – How Do Rescues Actually Happen? From intelligence gathering to on-the-ground operations. 14:29 – Inside the Raids 17:15 – Faith is the key 19:00 – Stories That Stay With You: Including the heartbreaking rescue of the girl at the green gate - a 3-year-old found after two years of searching. 28:00 – How to Support Child Rescue: Ways to pray, give, or get involved in this vital work. 29:27 – How do Tony and Louisa live their faith outside of Sunday? Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

This chat was recorded at the Truth Matters Conference - and it wasn’t even supposed to happen! Todd Funk stepped in at the last minute to fill in for astrophysicist Dr. Luke Barnes, and with no prep and no plan, we hit record and went with the flow. What came out was one of the most genuine and inspiring conversations as Todd shared his passion with us. Todd talks about how the 4–14 window is the most strategic - and often overlooked - harvest field in the Christian world. From his work with Launch Pad (Bible in Schools) to Children’s Bible Ministries at Camp Raglan, Todd has a FIRE in his belly for the kids of New Zealand, and I’m so thankful we have him! We also touch on his apologetics work and tackle the question, “Why does truth matter?”.  👉 Learn more about Thinking Matters at thinkingmatters.org.nz Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming up 1:00 – About Todd Funk and coming to New Zealand 1:39 – The most strategic harvest field: the 4–14 window 2:50 – Todd’s role at Thinking Matters and reaching young minds for Christ 3:42 – Reaching kids for Christ in today’s culture 5:35 – Launch Pad (Bible in Schools)  6:35 – Pushback on sharing the gospel in schools 8:02 – Camp Raglan  10:06 – Living in God’s purpose 13:56 – Why truth matters 14:59 – The most compelling evidences for Christ 17:25 – How Todd lives his faith outside of Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this second part of our chat with Henare Whaanga, we pick up where we left off - asking what’s contributed to the shift away from Christianity in Māoridom, and whether faith and culture can truly coexist. If you’ve ever wrestled with how to honour your culture while following Christ, I hope this conversation will bless you. Henare shares his thoughts on navigating identity, subjectivism, and the growing resurgence of Māori spirituality. We also touch on whether a spiritual experience alone is enough to sustain our faith. This is an honest conversation that you might find challenging - but my hope is that it will leave you encouraged and embracing the opportunity to grow in grace where we disagree.  Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. For more information and resources from Thinking Matters head to www.thinkingmatters.org.nz 0:00 – Previously: Recap of Part 1 and Henare’s journey so far 1:10 – Why Many Māori Are Shifting Away from Christianity: Cultural, historical, and social factors shaping faith today 4:26 – Subjectivism in Māoridom 6:05 – Reconciling Christianity with Te Ao Māori 7:33 – A Confronting Kōrero: Nothing is true 8:41 – From Re-indigenisation to Māori Religion: When celebrating heritage turns spiritual  11:19 – “Not the First Generation to Wrestle with This” 12:35 – Picking a Side: Choosing where to stand when faith and culture collide 14:23 – Leaving Old Religions for Christ: How every culture has faced this crossroads 17:01 – Why a Spiritual Experience Is Not Enough: The need for spirit and truth 21:32 – Does the New Zealand Church Need Change? 24:02 – Henare’s Words to the Doubting: Encouragement for those questioning their faith 25:42 – Henare’s Words to the Wrestling: Finding peace between culture and Christianity 27:47 – Henare answers how he lives his faith 'outside of Sunday' Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this episode, I sit down with Henare Whaanga at the Truth Matters Conference for an honest chat about faith and identity. Henare shares his journey to Christ and what it’s been like walking with Jesus as Māori - which hasn’t always been easy... We tackle big questions too, like whether Christianity was just a tool of colonisation, and how forgiveness radically shaped Māori in the 19th century. It’s real, thought-provoking, and such an important conversation to have. Part two drops 23 October, where we’ll go even deeper into what’s shaped the shift in Māoridom away from Christianity, explore the resurgence of Māori spirituality, and talk about how it is possible to reconcile faith and culture. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming up: What to expect in this conversation with Henare Whaanga 1:09 – Welcome & Introduction: Meet Henare and hear a little about him 2:17 – Henare’s Journey to Christ: Personal testimony of how he found faith 7:45 – Being a Christian in a Māori Space: Challenges of following Jesus within Māori communities 10:04 – Is Christianity a Tool of Colonisation?: Exploring historical and cultural questions 17:30 – Forgiveness and Māori History: How the concept of forgiveness shaped Māori society in the 19th century 20:48 – Coming up in Part 2 Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura start by catching up on the very first Outsider Retreat - sharing a few highlights, from late-night karaoke to a beautiful shared communion. Then, they reflect on MK’s powerful two-part episode, revisiting the story, their reactions, and the deeper lessons about faith, surrender, and spiritual growth that came through it all. From The Pilgrim’s Progress to the purpose of the Church, this episode invites you to pause and consider how God uses even our hardest seasons to grow us closer to Him. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube 0:00 - Coming up 1:00 - Welcome 3:00 - Outsider Retreat chat 12:52 - Recap and reaction to part 1 15:32 - Recap and reaction to part 2 18:04 - Laura draws from the Pilgrims Progress 20:57 - When Christians face trials we have a choice… our will or His 23:38 - It all comes down to spiritual growth 25:53 - The purpose of the church is not evangelism 30:49 - Does God cause suffering so that we grow in our faith? Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In part two of MK’s story, we pick up right where things left off. Harlee had just been born - the baby MK had longed for - but right from the start, she could tell something wasn’t right. And when the doctors said everything was fine, her mother’s intuition kept telling her that something was seriously wrong. What followed was a long stretch of sleepless nights, confusion, hospital visits, and moments where she had to hold on tight to her faith. But what’s beautiful is how she tells it - not from a place of despair, but with joy and gratitude for what God did through it all. You’ll hear how He showed up in the middle of her fear and exhaustion, and how MK learned to see His goodness even when things didn’t make sense. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Previously 1:15 – Harlee’s Birth and a Mother’s Intuition That Something Was Wrong 4:28 – Constant Crying and Sleepless Nights Begin 5:33 – Doctors Miss Crucial Health Issues with Newborn Harlee 7:27 – The Moment a Serious Health Issue Is Finally Confirmed 14:00 – Emergency Flight to Starship Children’s Hospital 20:55 – Sleep Deprivation and Holding on to Faith 22:58 – Harlee’s Surgery and Recovery 30:46 – Reconciling Harlee’s Journey with God and Finding Joy 43:54 – Final Reflections from MK on God’s Faithfulness 47:35 – How MK Lives Her Faith Outside of Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this episode of Outside of Sunday, we're sitting down with Marethie (MK) to hear her journey of faith across continents and seasons of life. Growing up in South Africa, MK experienced stability and challenges - from boarding school days and navigating teenage faith to facing bankruptcy as a family  and the life-changing move to New Zealand. MK shares about meeting her husband, building a life together, and how walking with Jesus held her marriage together. You’ll be encouraged by MK’s honesty a the reminder that God is faithful wherever life takes you. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming Up 1:09 – Welcome MK to Outside of Sunday 2:31 – Growing Up in South Africa 4:17 – MK’s Christian Upbringing  7:25 – Life at Boarding School in South Africa 14:29 – Teenage Years and Avoiding Substances 17:45 – Relationship with the Lord During Teen Years 20:38 – Bankruptcy in South Africa and Moving to New Zealand 25:53 – Starting Over and Establishing Life in NZ 28:53 – Meeting Her Husband and Building a Relationship 34:42 – Walking with Jesus in Marriage 38:35 – How Children Change You  Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this Insights episode, Laura and I are reflecting on some of the themes that came out of Dianna’s story. We talk about how love needs to be more than just words, the power of one person saying “yes” to God, and what it really looks like to walk in the works He’s prepared for us. We share some of our own challenges and Laura brings her perspective on what it means to be made in God’s image. It was such a great conversation and a reminder for us all that at the end of the day, it's only what’s done for Christ that lasts. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 1:00 - Welcome 2:00 - Comments 5:23 - Recap on Dianna’s episode  6:59 - Laura’s thoughts 9:00 - Love paired with action 9:47 - What God can do with one person who says ‘yes’ 12:39 - Have the right motive 13:36 - What it means to be made in God’s images 17:00 - Comparing with others 19:07 - Walking in the works God has for you 20:00 - Grit and personal challenges for Laura and Christa 23:16 - Only what’s done for Christ remains Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In part one, we heard about Dianna’s ministry reaching women in the brothels of Pattaya and beyond. In this second part, we step into her own story - growing up in California, walking away from God while enjoying success in Hollywood, and the pain of abuse that marked her childhood and married life. But her testimony doesn’t end in brokenness. Dianna shares how truth came to light, justice was done, and how God redeemed deep wounds. This conversation is raw and honest - but full of hope in a God who heals and restores. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Previously 0:50 – Intro 1:00 – Covid shuts down brothels and leads to independence 4:30 – Dianna’s testimony growing up in California 7:45 – Christian background 8:05 – A predator at church  12:34 – Working in Hollywood on movie sets and runways, walking away from the Lord 13:31 – Meeting her husband 17:20 – Truth comes out, abuser receives justice 20:20 – God redeems our pain 23:20 – Coming back to Christ 32:29 – Q&A: The one that got away 34:49 – Q&A: Choosing which number girl when entering the brothels 36:53 – Q&A: Reconciling marriage breakdown with the Lord 39:47 – Q&A: Who do the girls go to when they’ve been attacked or abused? 42:08 – Q&A: Protecting yourself when constantly seeing extreme abuse 44:40 – Living faith outside of Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this moving episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa speaks with Dianna from Free Rain International, an organisation dedicated to rescuing and restoring victims of s*x trafficking. From the heartbreaking reality of life in slums and brothels to the story of the very first girl freed, Dianna shares the challenges, victories, and gospel-centered hope at the heart of their work. Together they discuss the invisible chains of slavery, the risks of confronting brothel owners, the trauma survivors face, and the healing journey through education, counselling, and faith in Jesus. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 – Coming Up 0:42 – Welcome to Dianna from Free Rain International 1:15 – What is Free Rain International? (Anti-Trafficking Ministry) 2:45 – The Unimaginable Devastation of Human Trafficking 3:36 – A Hair Salon in the Slum 7:37 – How Free Rain Connects Victims with Help and Hope 8:10 – Outreach Inside a Brothel 11:53 – Facing Conflict with Brothel Owners 17:40 – The Invisible Chains of Modern Slavery 18:54 – The Story of “Rain” – Free Rain’s First Rescue 24:30 – Trafficking of Boys and Men 26:24 – When a Victim Joins Free Rain International 28:30 – Health and Hygiene Education for Survivors 30:28 – Daily Routine, Counselling, and Care 31:47 – How Free Rain Partners with the Gospel 35:40 – A 19-Year-Old Sold and Abused by Fishermen 39:39 – The Origin of the Phrase “Me Love You Long Time” 40:46 – From Brothel Work to New Life in Jesus Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Hey Outsiders, this week’s episode is a little different. Laura and I are taking time to reflect on the shocking m*rder of Charlie Kirk and the way it’s impacted Christians here in New Zealand and around the world. We’re also joined by the hosts of The Conservative Pentecostal, Phil Me In, and Whispers of Grace podcasts, who share their own thoughts and encouragement. Something has shifted. For many of us, Charlie’s death has raised big questions about fear, courage, and what it really means to stand firm in our faith as the opposing culture grows louder. Together, we talk honestly about grief, forgiveness, responsibility, and the hope we have in Christ. My prayer is that this conversation reminds you that we’re not alone in this - we are outsiders, yes, but we’re outsiders together. The stakes for being a public Christian, for holding a different opinion, for being an outsider in this world, have been raised. But more than ever, we must love those who hate us, so that the kindness of God might lead them to repentance, that they might know the love of God and Jesus Christ whom He sent. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming up: Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s death 0:59 – Welcome and Christa's thoughts 8:12 – Laura's response 9:40 – Looking at Charlie’s controversial comments in full context 11:30 – Practicing discernment on the internet 12:11 – How Christa and Laura first learned of Charlie being shot 14:03 – God already using Charlie’s death for His glory 15:00 – Reaction from Janneke (The Conservative Pentecostal Podcast) 16:53 – Why Charlie’s m*rder has had such a strong impact 20:45 – Showing Christ when attacked for faith and values 22:50 – Learning to expect hatred as Christians 24:06 – The impact of Charlie’s courageous faith 25:13 – Janneke’s encouragement for the Christian community 26:54 – Building each other up as believers while we can 28:15 – Death is not the end for the Christian 30:06 – Why Charlie’s death feels so impactful for believers 34:12 – Reaction from Philip Brown (Phil Me In Podcast) 36:15 – Why New Zealand has reacted so strongly - positively and negatively 40:08 – Processing life, death, and cognitive dissonance 40:30 – Worldview of the oppressed vs. oppressor 41:44 – The negative reaction in New Zealand 43:40 – Reflecting on death and eternity 45:35 – A challenge to New Zealand Christians 48:37 – Phil’s call for NZ pastors to repent 51:20 – Raising standards of biblical understanding 53:44 – Stewarding an online platform well 55:25 – Identity rhetoric as part of the problem 57:09 – Why the NZ church avoids controversial issues 58:37 – Having faith conversations with gentleness and respect 59:43 – Recommended resource: Stand to Reason 1:01:48 – Julie (Whispers of Grace Podcast) shares as an American in NZ 1:03:53 – Why Charlie’s death is being felt around the world 1:08:15 – Why Christians should mourn Charlie’s death 1:10:06 – Hope and encouragement in persecution 1:13:00 – Lessons from Jonah to guide our response 1:15:03 – Grieving a brother and forgiving his killer 1:20:40 – An outpouring of love and forgiveness 1:24:03 – Psalm 61 shared 1:24:57 – Remembering we were once lost 1:27:16 – Call to pray for the lost 1:29:35 – The safest place to be is in the will of God 1:28:53 – Final thoughts from Christa Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.