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Self Directed - A Podcast on Life, Learning, and Raising Free Thinkers. Hosts Cecilie and Jesper Conrad, full-time travellers since 2018 and parents of four, invite a new guest on the podcast every Thursday.
Self Directed - A Podcast on Life, Learning, and Raising Free Thinkers. Hosts Cecilie and Jesper Conrad, full-time travellers since 2018 and parents of four, invite a new guest on the podcast every Thursday.
119: Amir Nathoo | Outschool: Passion, Not Curriculum, Is the Future of Education
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Outschool founder Amir Nathoo explains why education built on passion—not curriculum—may be the only way to truly prepare kids for a rapidly changing world. We talk about his shift from traditional schooling in the UK to building Outschool, how becoming a parent deepened his beliefs, and why interest-led learning offers more than just flexibility—it offers resilience.
Amir shares the emotional challenge of stepping away from conventional paths, how Outschool helps parents manage fears without compromising child-led learning, and why AI is forcing us to rethink what human intelligence really is. We also get into the science of farts, cat anatomy, and mock stock trading—and why those classes matter more than you think.
🔗 Connect with Amir Nathoo
https://www.linkedin.com/in/amirnathoo
https://x.com/amirnathoo
https://amir.io
🔗 Outschool
https://outschool.com
https://www.facebook.com/outschool
https://www.instagram.com/outschool
https://x.com/outschool
https://www.youtube.com/outschool
🗓️ Recorded May 6th, 2025. 📍 Budapest, Hungary
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118: David Cole | Questioning Normal – Our Offbeat Life as a Full-Time Traveling Family
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Ever wondered what life could look like if you broke free from the conventional 9-5?
David Cole and his family sold their home in Chicago in 2019 and haven’t stopped moving since. Cecilie and Jesper talk with him about how they made the shift from occasional travellers to full-time nomads.
"I think what stopped us the most was mindset," David reveals, reflecting on their journey from dreaming to doing. After years of passionate but occasional travel, they finally made the leap—starting with house-sitting across the US before boarding a 22-day cruise to Singapore and continuing through Southeast Asia. What began as a shared love for exploration evolved into a complete lifestyle redesign that prioritizes presence, connection, and curiosity. This isn’t about escaping; it’s about deciding how to live and taking the next step—even if it’s not perfect.
🔗 Connect with David Cole
https://ouroffbeatlife.com
http://www.facebook.com/ouroffbeatlife
https://www.instagram.com/ouroffbeatlife
https://www.youtube.com/@ouroffbeatlife
https://www.tiktok.com/@ouroffbeatlife
https://open.spotify.com/show/30a99rdTO47PInn0zw6HMy
🗓️ Recorded April 29th, 2025. 📍 Budapest, Hungary
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117: Dr. Cam Caswell | Why Control Fails and Connection Works with Teens
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Dr. Cam joins us to discuss parenting teenagers and why efforts to control them often create more distance. She explains how control can undermine trust and why focusing on connection leads to better results.
We discuss the difference between respect and obedience, and how letting teens say “no” builds confidence and self-trust. Jesper shares his shift from being a “parenting by volume” dad to being more present and connected, and how time made the biggest difference.
Dr. Cam describes how many dads step back from parenting teens because they feel disconnected or uncertain about how to relate. She talks about why focusing on influence, not authority, helps parents stay close to their teens even in moments of conflict.
We also talk about how small moments—like asking about your teen’s interests instead of their grades—can rebuild connection when time is limited.
🔗 Connect with Dr. Cam
Website: https://www.askdrcam.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drcamcaswell/
Dr. Cams podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/parenting-teens-with-dr-cam/id1524209790
🗓️ Recorded April 23th, 2025. 📍 Budapest, Hungary
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116: Jacob Nordby | Rethinking Freedom: Purpose, Ritual, and the Value of Being
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In this conversation with author and speaker Jacob Nordby, we explore the paradox of freedom in modern life. Is it simply doing whatever we want—or does real freedom require something deeper?
While many consider freedom to be about doing whatever they want without constraints, Jacob challenges this perception. "A lot of people assume that freedom means the ability to do whatever they want," he reflects, "but we're learning that most of what we think and believe happens pretty unconsciously." True freedom, it seems, requires the difficult work of self-awareness and introspection.
Jacob challenges common ideas about success, self-determination, and meaning. Together, we dive into how societal norms shape our values, why unpaid or “unproductive” work (like parenting or crafting) is deeply meaningful, and how rituals in everyday life can reconnect us to purpose.
From driving Uber through uncertainty to the healing power of journaling, Jacob shares tools for navigating difficult times and reclaiming inner freedom.
“The great victory isn’t avoiding difficulty—it’s knowing we can respond with resilience.”
🎁 Get Jacob’s free journaling tools at https://instituteforcreativeliving.org/creative-self-journal-program
🔗 Connect with Jacob Nordby
Website: https://www.jacobnordby.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jacobnordby
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/author.jacobnordby
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jacobnordby/
📚 Books mentioned:
Man's Search for Meaning – Viktor Frankl
Braiding Sweetgrass – Robin Wall Kimmerer
Modern Man in Search of a Soul – Carl Jung
Prometheus Rising – Robert Anton Wilson
🗓️ Recorded April 16th, 2025. 📍Vienna, Austria
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115 Yasmin & Andy | Beyond Boundaries: One Family's Journey from England to Jungle Living in Belize
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Yasmin and Andy left a comfortable life in the UK to join a small off-grid community in the jungles of Belize.
Fifteen years after cycling through Central America, Yasmin and Andy returned—this time with three kids and a desire for a different kind of life. What began as a plan to visit intentional communities in Europe shifted during the pandemic, eventually landing them in a small permaculture community in Belize.
They describe the emotional and practical steps behind leaving the UK, the grief of letting go, and the clarity that comes from recognizing how little time we have. Loneliness in early parenthood, especially within the isolation of the nuclear family, sparked a deeper search for connection. Now, they live alongside five other families where support is built into everyday life.
This isn’t a story about escaping—it’s about building. From self-directed education to shared celebrations and infrastructure, Yasmin and Andy reflect on what it takes to live more freely and cooperatively.
To learn more about Yasmin, Andy, and Sattvā Land or plan a visit, check the links below.
🔗 Learn more about Yasmin, Andy and SattvaLand
https://www.instagram.com/sattvaland
https://www.instagram.com/sattvalearning
https://www.instagram.com/thefreewheelingfive
https://www.sattvaland.com
https://www.sattvaland.com/togetherfamilyretreat
https://www.youtube.com/@thefreewheelingfive7447
🗓️ Recorded April 5th, 2025. 📍 Somewhere in France, on a highway heading towards Monaco
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114: Amanda Diekman | Radical Acceptance and Low Demand Parenting
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In this episode, we speak with Amanda Diekman about how her parenting changed when her six-year-old son went into autistic burnout. He lost verbal communication, stopped eating most foods, and couldn't follow basic routines. Faced with a crisis, Amanda chose to stop trying to fix him and instead removed demands to create safety.
She explains how this shift became the foundation of low-demand parenting—an approach that prioritizes accommodation, reduces expectations, and gives children more agency. We discuss the fear many parents feel when stepping outside conventional norms, how control-based parenting damages relationships, and why even “high-functioning” children may be silently struggling.
Amanda also shares how living in a community centered around disability shifted her perspective on independence and success. We cover specific strategies, including how her family uses language like “you’re forcing me” to signal power imbalances, and how she reframed daily routines to support healing.
Low-demand parenting isn’t just for neurodivergent children—it challenges the broader parenting culture and offers a different way to relate to our kids.
🔗 Learn more about Amanda Diekman
https://www.amandadiekman.com/
https://www.facebook.com/lowdemandamanda
https://www.instagram.com/lowdemandamanda
https://www.youtube.com/@lowdemandamanda
https://www.pinterest.com/lowdemandamanda/
Amandas Podcast episode on The Myth of Permissive Parenting: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-myth-of-permissive-parenting/id1770185265?i=1000677324284
🗓️ Recorded March 21th, 2025. 📍 Barcelona, Spain
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113: Luz Olid and David Caballero | Education Evolution: Beyond Traditional Schooling
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Luz and David from Evolving Education left careers in biotechnology to explore and document alternative education models worldwide. Frustrated by rigid schooling systems, they traveled to over 170 learning centers to understand how children learn best outside the traditional classroom.
In this episode, we talk about how compulsory schooling originated in 19th-century Prussia as a system designed to produce obedient soldiers and workers, a model later exported worldwide as a tool for colonization and cultural suppression. We discuss how education has been shaped by these historical forces and why so many modern schools still emphasize conformity over curiosity. Luz and David explain the “Expedition Methodology” they developed, which focuses on exploration, experimentation, and community as key components of meaningful learning. Rather than pushing a single solution, they emphasize the importance of cross-pollination between different educational approaches and the need for families, teachers, and learning communities to collaborate in rethinking how children grow and learn.
Instead of waiting for top-down reforms, they work directly with those already creating change—educators, parents, and pioneers looking for alternatives. Their mission is to make these models more accessible, providing tools and resources to help others implement child-led, passion-driven learning environments.
Visit evolvingeducation.org to access their free ebook, watch their documentary films, and join their community. They also host monthly “Voices of Change” webinars featuring educators working at the forefront of alternative learning.
🔗 Learn more about Evolving Education
https://www.instagram.com/evolvingeducationorg/
https://www.facebook.com/evolvingeducation.org/
https://evolvingeducation.org/en
https://www.youtube.com/@evolvingeducation
https://www.facebook.com/groups/311079551216115/
🗓️ Recorded March 18th, 2025. 📍 Barcelona, Spain
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112: iris chen | untigering: from control to connection – peaceful parenting for the tiger parent
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Iris Chen, author of Untigering: Peaceful Parenting for the Deconstructing Tiger Parent, shares how she shifted from a strict, high-expectation parenting style to a trust-based approach.
Raised in a Chinese-American household, Iris grew up with academic pressure and obedience as the norm. She carried those expectations into her own parenting—until she saw how control and punishment were harming her relationship with her children. A parenting workshop on neuroscience led her to rethink discipline, ultimately guiding her toward unschooling.
This conversation looks at how tiger parenting is often rooted in intergenerational trauma, especially in immigrant communities where educational success is tied to security and acceptance. Instead of accepting these methods as “cultural,” Iris encourages parents to examine their origins and whether they truly serve their children today.
📚 Learn more about Iris Chen and Untigering
https://untigering.com
https://www.instagram.com/untigering
https://www.facebook.com/untigering
https://x.com/untigering
https://www.facebook.com/irischenauthor
🗓️ Recorded March 17th, 2025. 📍 Barcelona, Spain
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111: Anne Kirketerp | Craft Psychology: The Link Between Crafting & Wellbeing
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The moment you carve, knit, bake or start folding paper, something remarkable happens in your brain. The anxious spiral of thoughts quiets, stress hormones recede, and you enter a state that Dr. Anne Kirkegaard calls "meaningful self-forgetfulness."
Dr. Anne Kirketerp is a psychologist, researcher, and craftsperson who pioneered Craft Psychology—the study of how hands-on creative activities impact mental well-being. With a background in both psychology and craftsmanship, she has spent years exploring the health benefits of making, from reducing stress to enhancing focus and problem-solving skills.
Formerly a professor and research director, Anne left academia to focus on studying the link between crafting and mental health. Her work combines scientific research with practical insights, showing how structured and free-form creative activities can foster flow, resilience, and psychological wellbeing.
She is the author of Craft Psychology and runs craftpsychology.com, where she shares research-based insights and exercises designed to help people integrate craft into their daily lives.
📚 Learn more about Anne Kirketerp and Craft Psychology:
https://www.craftpsykologi.dk/english-page
https://www.craftpsykologi.dk/
https://www.instagram.com/craftpsykologi/
https://www.facebook.com/craftpsykologi
🗓️ Recorded February 27th, 2025. 📍 Finhan, France
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110: Asger Leth | Beyond the 9 to 5 – Finding Freedom & Creating a Space for Deep Conversations & Real...
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What does it mean to truly connect in a world that’s becoming more digital by the day? In this episode, filmmaker and creative visionary Asger Leth shares his journey from a restless nomadic life to creating Lakehouse, a unique space in Copenhagen dedicated to real conversations, community, and culture.
We dive into:
Why some people need movement while others need stability
The role of risk and uncertainty in a fulfilling life
How AI and the internet are reshaping how we trust information
Why real-life spaces like Lakehouse are more necessary than ever
From filmmaking to philosophy, from travel to deep discussions, this episode is an exploration of what it means to be truly present, connected, and engaged with the world.
🔗 Relevant Links:
Asger Leth’s IMDb: imdb.com
Ghosts of Cité Soleil (2006): imdb.com
Man on a Ledge (2012): imdb.com
Lakehouse Copenhagen: lake-house.net
https://asgerleth.com
https://www.instagram.com/asgersays
https://www.facebook.com/AsgerLeth
🗓️ Recorded February 20th, 2025. 📍 Finhan, France
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109: Dennis Nørmark | Are We Really Free? Pseudo-Work & Unfreedom: How Work & Society Keep Us Trapped
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Much of modern work is defined by routine, efficiency targets, and the need to appear productive. But how much of it is actually necessary? Dennis Nørmark, Danish anthropologist, author, and speaker, argues that a significant part of today’s work culture is built on pseudo-work—tasks that maintain appearances rather than create real value. As the co-author of Pseudo-Work: How We Ended Up Being Busy Doing Nothing, he examines why unnecessary work persists and how it shapes our perception of productivity. In I Wish My Boss Was a Chief, he applies leadership lessons from indigenous cultures to modern management, questioning whether our current systems are as effective as we assume.
This conversation explores how unfreedom has become a feature of work and society, limiting personal agency and reinforcing structures of control. Predictions from a century ago suggested that technological progress would reduce working hours, yet most people today work as much as ever. Why has this happened? How do schools, workplaces, and governments encourage dependence rather than autonomy? And what can be done to reclaim control over our time and choices?
Key Topics
What pseudo-work is and why it persists
How bureaucracy and control shape modern work culture
The shift from work as necessity to work as identity
Why predictions of reduced working hours never materialized
How education reinforces compliance rather than independence
Rethinking work, freedom, and personal agency
Dennis Nørmark challenges assumptions about work and productivity, raising questions about what it means to contribute meaningfully in a system that values busyness over results.
🗓️ Recorded February 20th, 2025. 📍 Finhan, France
📚 Connect with Dennis Nørmark
English Website: https://www.dennisnormark.com
Danish Website: https://www.dennisnormark.dk
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennis-nørmark-speaker
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108: Manisha Snoyer | Unschooling, Community & Rethinking Education
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Traditional education often fails to nurture curiosity, creativity, and deep engagement. In this episode, we explore a different path—one that is flexible, self-directed, and built around each child’s unique interests. We discuss homeschooling, unschooling, and modular education, breaking down how families can step away from rigid school structures and embrace learning that feels natural and meaningful.
Our guest, Manisha Snoyer, is an entrepreneur, educator, and founder of Modulo, a curated online community that helps homeschooling families access expert resources and support. With experience teaching over 2,000 students worldwide, running a foreign language theater school, and launching education startups like CottageClass and MasteryHour.org, Manisha is passionate about building personalized, project-driven learning environments that prioritize compassion and children’s rights.
We discuss how education can be more flexible and connected to real life, the role of community and mentorship in homeschooling, and how platforms like Modulo are making personalized learning more accessible than ever.
Join us for a conversation on rethinking education, trusting kids to learn, and creating an environment where curiosity thrives.
🗓️ Recorded February 5th, 2025. 📍 Finhan, France
📚 Learn more about Manisha Snoyer’s work:
https://modulo.app
https://www.teachyourkidspod.com
https://www.youtube.com/@TeachYourKidsWithManisha
https://www.facebook.com/teachyourkidspodcast
https://www.instagram.com/teachyourkidspod
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https://substack.com/@manisharosesnoyer
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107: Jessica Joelle Alexander | Danish Parenting Secrets: Raising Happy & Confident Kids
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What makes Danish parenting unique, and how does it raise happy, resilient kids? In this episode, we talk with Jessica Joelle Alexander, bestselling author of The Danish Way of Parenting, about Denmark’s highly regarded child-rearing approach.
The Danish approach to raising children is shaped by principles from Nikolaj Frederik Severin Grundtvig (1783–1872), a Danish pastor, philosopher, and educator who emphasized personal formation ("Dannelse") as equally important as academic education ("Uddannelse").
In the second half of our conversation, we shift into the digital world, where Jessica introduces her latest project, RaisingDigitalCitizens.com. She explains how parents can foster healthy relationships with technology, build trust, and guide children in navigating the online world safely.
🗓️ Recorded January 29th, 2025. 📍Åmarksgård, Denmark
📚 Learn more about Jessica Joelle Alexander’s work:
🔗 Jessica Joelle Alexander
https://www.jessicajoellealexander.com
https://www.facebook.com/jessicajoellealexander
https://www.instagram.com/jessicajoellealexander
https://x.com/jessicajoelle_
🔗 Raising Digital Citizens
https://raisingdigitalcitizens.com/
https://www.facebook.com/people/Raising-Digital-Citizens/61554322417105/
https://www.instagram.com/raisingdigitalcitizens
https://www.linkedin.com/company/raising-digital-citizens/
🔗 The Danish Way
https://thedanishway.com
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https://www.facebook.com/TheDanishWay
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106: Essie Richards | Breaking Free: Unschooling and Reimagining Education in the UK
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How can unschooling create a safe and empowering educational path for children? In this episode, we talk with Essie Richards about her transformative journey from traditional schooling to unschooling in rural Cornwall, UK. Essie shares how her family chose this path after her son faced bullying, leading them to embrace self-directed education as a way to foster curiosity, confidence, and emotional well-being.
Our conversation delves into the principles of unschooling, focusing on its power to nurture children’s natural interests and foster stronger family connections. Essie discusses the role of respectful parenting in creating a supportive environment where children can thrive without the constraints of conventional schooling.
We also explore the practicalities of this lifestyle, from adjusting family routines to finding a community of like-minded parents, highlighting how unschooling can redefine education as a safe, fulfilling, and flexible process tailored to each child’s unique needs.
🗓️ Recorded January 27th, 2025. 📍Åmarksgård, Denmark
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https://www.instagram.com/essiejrichards
https://www.essierichardscoach.com
https://www.lunaragilelearningcentre.org
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105: Sugata Mitra | How Learning Emerges Naturally Through Self-Organizing Systems
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Sugata Mitra is a renowned educational researcher and innovator best known for his revolutionary "Hole in the Wall" experiment, which demonstrated the incredible capacity of children to teach themselves when provided with access to technology. A TED Prize winner and creator of the "School in the Cloud," Sugata’s work challenges traditional educational systems and advocates for self-organized and emergent learning as the future of education.
After a lighthearted opening about weather and cultural quirks, we transition to the ideas that underpin Sugata’s groundbreaking research.
The incredible story of the "Hole in the Wall" experiment, where children in a New Delhi slum mastered computer skills and explored the internet without formal teaching.
The difference between self-directed, self-organized, and self-organizing systems in education—and why it matters.
Reflections on unschooling and redefining education as self-directed learning, breaking away from rigid curricula.
The role of technology, including the rise of generative AI, and how it impacts what it means to "know" in the 21st century.
A philosophical discussion on truth, learning as an emergent phenomenon, and the importance of nonsense and unanswerable questions in human development.
Reflections on communal learning and human connection.
🗓️ Recorded January 18th, 2025. 📍Åmarksgård, Denmark
🔗 Relevant links
Sugata Mitra's TED Talks: Build a School in the Cloud (TED Prize Talk) and The Child-Driven Education
Hole in the Wall Project: Learn more about the famous "Hole in the Wall" experiment: Hole in the Wall Project Overview
School in the Cloud: Explore Sugata’s initiative that empowers children to self-organize and learn: School in the Cloud Website
Sugata Mitra’s Website: https://www.cevesm.com/
Order Out of Chaos by Ilya Prigogine: The book that influenced Sugata’s thinking on self-organizing systems: Order Out of Chaos on Amazon
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104: Dola Dasgupta | Unschooling in India: Embracing Choice and Navigating Challenges
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How does homeschooling fit into India’s diverse cultural and educational landscape? In this episode, Dola Dasgupta shares her perspective on the challenges and freedoms of homeschooling and unschooling in a country where formal education is highly valued. We examine the legal uncertainties, cultural factors, and personal decisions that lead families to choose alternative education.
The conversation explores unschooling as a lifestyle focused on personal growth and curiosity, by following genuine interests—whether gaming or philosophy—families can build stronger connections and redefine education as a flexible, meaningful process tailored to their needs.
We also discuss the practical aspects of homeschooling, including career adjustments and the role of parents. Through shared experiences, we provide insights for families considering this path and highlight the impact unschooling can have on creating a more fulfilling approach to learning.
🗓️ Recorded January 18th, 2025. 📍Åmarksgård, Denmark
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103: Peter Gray | Rethinking Education: The Power of Play and Self-Directed Learning
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Together with Peter Gray, we explored the concept of self-directed education.
Peter Gray emphasizes the importance of play and independence in children's learning.
The discussion highlights the shortcomings of the traditional school system and encourages parents to embrace unconventional educational approaches that foster curiosity and resilience in their children.
Subjects we. cover:
• Education is more than just formal schooling
• Children naturally possess curiosity and a desire to learn
• Historical contexts of education involved broader community engagement
• Modern parenting often restricts children's independence and learning opportunities
• Risky play is essential for developing confidence and problem-solving skills
• Traditional schooling is structured more for obedience than creativity
• Shift towards self-directed learning and homeschooling is gaining momentum
• Importance of community support for parents opting out of traditional education
🗓️ Recorded January 14th, 2025. 📍Åmarksgård, Denmark
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102 - Naomi Fisher | Changing Our Minds: How children can take control of their own learning
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Naomi Fisher is a clinical psychologist, writer, and speaker with a focus on self-directed learning, unschooling, and child development. A mother of two, she draws on her professional expertise and firsthand parenting experiences to challenge conventional educational models and help families nurture children’s natural curiosity and autonomy.
Together, we explore self-directed learning, the nature of freedom in education, and what happens when children are trusted to follow their own interests. We talk about the impact of traditional schooling on a child’s autonomy, the challenge of parental expectations, and the importance of empowering children—at any age—to discover their true wants. Naomi also shares insights from her books and professional work with families, offering a fresh perspective on how to nurture independent, confident lifelong learners.
🗓️ Recorded January 8th, 2025. 📍Åmarksgård, Denmark
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101 Jacob Nordby | Embracing Change and Creative Living through Self-Discovery
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Jacob Nordby grew up in a strict Christian cult, isolated and homeschooled. He’s an author, creative guide, and advocate for living authentically.
Jacob Nordby’s story is one of transformation; he shares how he found freedom and purpose by embracing vulnerability and creativity. We explore his journey through life’s crossroads, the lessons he learned about living authentically, and how he now helps others ignite their creative spark.
🗓️ Recorded December 16th, 2024. 📍The Addisons, Withyham, United Kingdom
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EP100 Amrit Sandhu |
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🗓️ Recorded November 26th, 2024. 📍 Krakow, Poland
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