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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast
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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino.
New episodes post every other week.
So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino.
New episodes post every other week.
Ep. 284: Venezuela is a cautionary tale w/ Jim Epstein and Germania Rodriguez Poleo
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For more than half a century, Radio Caracas Televisión, or RCTV, broadcast news, sports, comedies, and telenovelas in Venezuela. Its news coverage was also fiercely critical of President Hugo Chávez.
When RCTV's broadcast license expired, the government refused to renew it. Minutes later, a state-funded channel took its place.
RCTV was one target in a broader campaign to silence dissent. Under Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro, the government gradually tightened its grip on the media, punished political dissent, and weakened institutions that had protected democratic freedoms.
A new documentary, Escaping Venezuela, traces the erosion of free speech and press freedom through the story of Carlos Mora, who was imprisoned and tortured after helping Venezuelan dissidents escape to Colombia.
Joining us are director Jim Epstein and narrator Germania Rodríguez Poleo to discuss the film and how Venezuela's democratic institutions broke down.
Read more about Escaping Venezuela here.
Read Germania's Reason article here.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:12 Fear and self-censorship under Chavez
07:39 Making Escaping Venezuela
12:53 Germania's family and the crackdown on journalists
18:41 The destruction of Venezuela's free press
22:43 How Venezuela silenced dissent
32:56 RCTV as a symbol for press freedom
39:31 Venezuela after Maduro's capture
44:41 How Venezuela embraced socialism and Chavez came to power
50:13 Venezuelan immigrants and the end of TPS
52:44 Can Venezuela become a democracy again?
01:01:01 Where to watch Escaping Venezuela
01:04:05 Outro
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FIRE Reacts: Trump's media ban
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FIRE staff responds to President Trump's decision to ban CNN, MS NOW, and Politico from the White House, with President Trump citing their "constant 'reporting'" of "FAKE NEWS!" Barring journalists from the White House because of their coverage raises serious First Amendment concerns and strikes at the heart of a free and independent press. FIRE experts break down what happened and answer your questions about the ban.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:06 Why does the White House Correspondents Association decide who serves in the White House press pool?
05:32 Can the president ban anyone from the White House?
07:07 Obama and Biden-era restrictions on press access
10:38 Access to the press room vs. being called on to ask a question
11:55 Could TrumpTV have a chilling effect on the press?
13:39 Can the White House reject a reporter but not their news organization?
14:56 What is a temporary restraining order?
17:27 The government's argument
22:03 National security and the First Amendment
23:57 What if a news organization publishes false information?
27:31 Does the White House have to justify press restrictions?
28:27 Is there something wrong with "a country that can allow people to write purposely negative stories"?
32:04 The scope of the White House restrictions
34:03 Public distrust of the press
36:48 Does restricting press access really address any national security concerns?
39:22 Can future administrations exclude partisan or influencer journalists?
41:05 Is barring journalists from the White House a prior restraint?
42:17 The impacts of a collective media boycott
45:04 Outro
Joining us:
Marie McMullan — SPFI program manager and counsel
Jacob Gaba — Staff attorney
Aaron Terr — Director of public advocacy
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Ep. 283: Robby Soave on Trump's press ban, Macklemore, and free speech culture wars
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The free speech culture wars look different than they did a decade ago.
Reason senior editor and Rising host Robby Soave joins us to discuss the White House's restrictions on media access, Macklemore getting dropped from Ed Sheeran's tour, and why efforts to suppress controversial speech so often backfire.
We also look back at how the free speech debate has changed since Robby and Nico began covering it — from campus censorship and cancel culture to social media moderation and the changing politics of free speech.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:44 How Robby prepares for Rising
03:35 How the media landscape has changed
10:44 Trump, the press, and censorship
20:26 Cancel culture
23:55 Macklemore, Ed Sheeran, and the Streisand Effect
30:31 Why should we defend the media?
36:58 Campus free speech
43:48 The changing politics of free speech
58:34 Outro
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Ep. 282: Breaking down our 2027 College Free Speech Rankings
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Harvard, institutional neutrality, how we determine the rankings, partisan censorship, how schools can improve their ranking, and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:18 Learn about our inaugural Soapbox conference
04:02 Preorder Nico's book Free Speech Generation
5:00 Check out FIRE's 2027 College Free Speech rankings
06:05 Who are the top- and bottom-ranked schools?
09:27 What's new with the Harvard evaluation?
13:08 How does FIRE choose which schools to rank?
13:46 What can universities do to improve their ranking?
15:54 What is institutional neutrality?
18:05 What exactly are students being asked about campus speech?
21:25 How does FIRE make sure defending free speech doesn't inadvertently protect censorship in the classroom?
25:19 Is campus censorship coming more from the "right" or the "left"?
26:53 Did the University of Washington settlement involving Professor Stuart Reges affect its ranking?
30:45 What does it mean to pre-register our methodology?
31:35 Why did Claremont McKenna drop in the rankings?
33:07 What advice does FIRE have for students at low-ranked schools facing censorship?
36:47 Do politically homogeneous campuses make students more comfortable speaking freely?
40:26 Do low-ranked colleges tell FIRE how they are improving?
42:56 What can administrators do now to improve next year's ranking?
43:50 Does FIRE account for turnover in university leadership?
45:47 What do the rankings reveal about different student demographic groups?
49:41 Does FIRE account for differences between types of institutions?
52:00 What's up with MIT?
56:02 Should attacks on tenured professors carry more weight than actions against other faculty?
57:02 Who does FIRE contact when evaluating a university?
58:09 Are there regional patterns in the rankings?
58:57 Were there bigger ranking swings than usual this year?
01:00:44 Outro
Joining us:
Nico Perrino, executive vice president
Angela Erickson, vice president of research
Sean Stevens, chief researcher
Ronnie London, general counsel and director of litigation
Connor Murnane, campus advocacy chief of staff
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Ep. 281: What's the First Amendment's original meaning? w/ Jud Campbell and Stephen Solomon
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The First Amendment is only 45 words long. But more than 200 years and thousands of court decisions later, we're still arguing over a basic question: what do those words mean — and what did they mean to the early Americans who adopted them?
To look through history and debate what originalism can — and can't — tell us about the First Amendment's free speech clause, we are joined by:
Jud Campbell, Stanford Law School professor and the author of Natural Rights and the First Amendment and Determining Rights
Stephen Solomon, Marjorie Deane Professor of Journalism at New York University, the founding editor of First Amendment Watch, and the author of Revolutionary Dissent: How the Founding Generation Created the Freedom of Speech
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:20 Original meaning and modern First Amendment doctrine
09:12 Would the founders recognize our Constitution today?
16:00 The Alien and Sedition Acts
20:21 How the founding generation practiced free speech
24:35 Can we define "originalism"?
32:05 Representative government and the promise of liberty
45:00 The First Amendment's absolute language
51:36 New York Times v. Sullivan
58:01 Amending the First Amendment
01:04:30 Outro
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Ep. 280: Social media, speech, and kids w/ Joel Thayer and Kate Ruane
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**Editor's note: This episode was recorded before Meta settled a social media addiction trial with a coalition of state attorneys general on Aug. 26, 2026. The case alleged the company knew some of its features on Facebook and Instagram could be harmful to kids and the company publicly misrepresented those risks.
Social media and artificial intelligence are increasingly powerful tools for sharing and accessing information. They're also at the center of a push for the government to address their potential harms — particularly to kids.
So where's the constitutional line between regulating technology and regulating speech? And could this latest wave of legislation and litigation change what we can see, say, and create online?
Joining us to break down the latest developments in social media and AI and what it all means for free speech are:
Joel Thayer, senior fellow for AI and emerging technology policy at the America First Policy Institute and president of the Digital Progress Institute
Kate Ruane, director of the Center for Democracy & Technology's Free Expression Project
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:02 The case for regulating social media
09:23 The case for social media as protected speech
18:12 Are social media design features protected speech?
23:46 Section 230 and platform liability
37:21 Privacy, COPPA, and online child safety
58:40 Are AI chatbots speech?
01:09:06 Will Congress regulate social media and AI?
01:12:27 Outro
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Ep. 279: Legendary lawyer Michael Tigar on juries, free speech, and the trial of John Peter Zenger
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Long before the First Amendment, John Peter Zenger stood trial for publishing criticisms of New York's then colonial governor. Although the law seemed to guarantee a guilty verdict, a jury refused to convict him. Zenger's trial was an early indication that the American colonists harbored a view of liberty more expansive than that offered to them by the British Crown.
Few people are better suited to explain the case than Michael Tigar. Over a legendary legal career spanning more than six decades, Tigar has argued before the Supreme Court (multiple times), represented civil rights activists and other controversial clients, taught generations of lawyers, and written what has become the definitive stage play about the Zenger trial.
Michael joins us to revisit the Zenger trial and reflect on his own remarkable career from the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and the Chicago Eight trial to jury nullification and lawyers' First Amendment rights.
To read more about Michael's life, check out his memoir.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:11 The Berkeley Free Speech Movement
09:17 Michael's path to becoming a lawyer
13:44 Defending the Chicago Eight
20:25 The trial of John Peter Zenger
27:03 Jury nullification and the Zenger verdict
37:26 The Zenger play and its legacy
39:52 NYT v. Sullivan and SLAPP lawsuits
44:30 Outro
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Ep. 278: The Trump admin wants to change how scientific research is funded w/ Catharine Young, Evan Morris, and Ryne Wei
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In May 2026, the Office of Management and Budget proposed sweeping changes to how the federal government administers billions of dollars in federal research grants.
That funding fuels scientific discovery, medical breakthroughs, and technological innovation. The proposal was open for public comment for 45 days and drew more than half a million responses.
Supporters of the proposal argue that it will prevent waste, fraud, and abuse in federal spending. Critics contend that the proposal will politicize research funding by giving executive branch political appointees greater influence over which research projects receive federal support.
Joining us to break down the OMB proposal and what it could mean for the future of research are:
Evan Morris, professor of radiology and biomedical imaging and of biomedical engineering at Yale
Catharine Young, senior fellow at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Ryne Weiss, director of research here at FIRE
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:57 What's in the OMB proposal?
08:57 Research grant "kill switches" and their consequences
17:17 Limits on foreign research partnerships and professional activities
21:29 The importance of federal funding to medical research
23:23 Are pharmaceutical companies the "boogeymen"?
25:13 The gold standard of scientific research
26:22 The "replication crisis"
31:16 Open science and peer review
40:37 Bias in research funding decisions
44:06 Should science be shielded from politics?
49:04 Has research always been political?
53:14 How politicization could change scientific research
58:59 Outro
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Ep. 277: Ada Palmer on the history of censorship from the Renaissance to AI
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Censorship is often associated with authoritarian governments. But throughout history, efforts to control ideas have taken many different forms — and they haven't always come from the state.
In this episode, Nico sits down with University of Chicago professor Ada Palmer to explore the history of censorship from the Renaissance to the present day. They discuss what motivates censorship, why it evolves alongside new communication technologies, how effective it has been throughout history, and what historical patterns can teach us about today's free speech debates.
Ada Palmer is a professor of early modern European history at the University of Chicago and the author of Inventing the Renaissance: Myths of a Golden Age. She is also an acclaimed science fiction and fantasy author, composer, singer, and expert on anime and Japanese popular culture. Visit her website to read her blog and explore her other projects.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:29 Palmer's interest in censorship
03:13 Renaissance censorship
13:15 The Inquisition and Jansenism
22:50 The blurry line between state and private censorship
31:35 Fear and self-censorship
35:12 Does America hide its censorship efforts?
38:45 The case of Giovanni Pico della Mirandola
43:50 Will AI change censorship?
53:36 Censorship will always be with us
01:06:47 Are you a free speech absolutist?
01:13:46 Outro
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Ep. 276: Book banning's trial of the century w/ Anthony Aycock
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Over the past five years, book bans and book challenges have become a major flashpoint in American politics.
School boards, parents, librarians, and lawmakers are fighting over what students should—and shouldn't—have access to on library shelves. Supporters of library restrictions say they are protecting children. Opponents say they are censoring ideas.
But this debate isn't new.
In the 1970s, America saw a similar surge in book challenges. One local dispute in Long Island, New York, made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court and became the only school-library book-removal case the Court has ever decided.
That case was Island Trees School District v. Pico, better known simply as Pico.
In this episode, we're joined by Anthony Aycock, legislative library director at the North Carolina General Assembly and the author of Just Plain Filthy: The Story Behind Book Banning's Trial of the Century.
His book tells the story behind Pico, including the school board that removed the books from its libraries, the students who fought back, and the Supreme Court justices who delivered a fractured ruling that left some of the case's most important constitutional questions unresolved.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:02 How Anthony became a librarian
05:08 What inspired Anthony's book?
07:33 The origins of Island Trees School District v. Pico
13:25 The Miller test for obscenity
14:43 Steven Pico and the road to the Supreme Court
18:15 The local reaction to Pico
20:17 If libraries choose what comes in, why can't they choose what goes out?
20:51 How librarians build a collection
26:05 When and why books leave library shelves
26:52 The Supreme Court's plurality opinion
30:08 Why Pico still matters: the Llano County case
35:41 Libraries, viewpoint diversity, and public access
38:24 When is censorship justified?
39:55 Should parents decide what everyone can read?
51:01 Stress test: Should Hitler's Mein Kampf be available in libraries?
54:05 How librarians feel about literary censorship today
57:57 Outro
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Ep. 275: Stress-testing the limits of the First Amendment w/ Chaz Stevens
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Debates over religious freedom have shaped American life for centuries. From Quakers facing prosecution in colonial America to The Crucible to South Park, fights over religious expression have repeatedly tested the country's commitment to free speech and religious liberty.
At the heart of these debates are a few difficult questions: Does the Constitution protect only popular beliefs, or all of them? If the government opens the door for one form of religious expression, does it have to allow every form? And if not, where does the Constitution draw the line?
Few people have tested those questions more directly than Chaz Stevens.
Stevens is the founder of the Church of Satanology and a longtime activist who uses satire, publicity stunts, and litigation to challenge what he sees as hypocrisy in how governments apply First Amendment protections.
In this episode, Chaz joins us to talk about those battles, the philosophy behind his activism, and what he's learned from years of pushing the boundaries of the First Amendment.
Follow Chaz on Substack here.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:26 What is Satanology?
04:15 Using malicious compliance to defend viewpoint neutrality
07:14 Pushing the boundaries of religious freedom protections
10:12 The First Amendment right to petition the government
11:20 Fighting state-mandated religious displays
15:37 Why Chaz puts Festivus poles in state capitols
19:59 Ron DeSantis, school libraries, and book ban controversies
23:44 Suing the government without a lawyer (pro se litigation)
30:18 Chaz's lawsuit against Rep. Chip LaMarca and Lindke v. Freed
34:48 How Chaz's activism started
35:54 The Consentivius tour and the Epstein files
38:55 What is Chaz's endgame?
41:27 Outro
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Ep. 274: Financial censorship: how banks silence speech w/ Rainey Reitman
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What is financial censorship?
Rainey Reitman joins the show to discuss what happens when people are denied access to financial services because of their lawful speech and conduct.
Reitman is the author of Transaction Denied: Big Finance's Power to Punish Speech, which examines the role financial companies like Visa, Chase, and PayPal play in policing speech and silencing speakers.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:29 Ben Reitman: Rainey's great-grandfather and free speech activist
05:42 How Rainey joined the fight for internet freedom
08:19 Chelsea Manning, whistleblowers, and the WikiLeaks banking blockade
16:11 The National Committee for Religious Freedom's fight with Chase Bank
19:10 NRA v. Vullo: The Supreme Court case on indirect government censorship
21:24 The Wolfsberg Group and global banking institutions
23:51 What is a "politically exposed person"?
25:52 Reputational risk management
27:40 Trump's 2025 executive order on debanking
29:45 Sanctions, terrorism screening, and the impact on Muslim communities
33:04 Why banks are so afraid of sanctions violations
34:10 Can you fight back after being debanked?
35:32 Can the private sector censor?
37:50 Operation Choke Point, cannabis, and crypto
47:25 Why are banks policing porn and adult content?
54:11 Solutions to debanking: incentives, crypto, and cash
59:15 Outro
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Ep. 273: Debating Super PACs and campaign finance w/ Larry Lessig and Paul Sherman
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In 2010, two landmark decisions transformed American campaign finance law. The first was Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. The second was SpeechNow.org v. FEC.
Together, these cases cleared the way for corporations and so-called Super PACs to raise and spend unlimited sums of money in elections.
What followed was a new era in American politics where individuals, corporations, and industries increasingly spent more and more money to influence campaigns and public opinion.
To debate the constitutional, political, and historical questions surrounding money in politics, we are joined by Larry Lessig and Paul Sherman. Lessig is a Harvard Law professor and the founder of Equal Citizens, one of the country's leading advocates for campaign finance reform. Sherman is a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice who served as co-counsel in SpeechNow.org.
Read Larry's paper "If Roe, then Buckley" here.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:43 How Larry and Paul became interested in political speech and campaign finance
05:33 Citizens United, political speech, and quid pro quo corruption
18:34 What was the SpeechNow case?
32:31 Elon Musk and billionaire influence in the 2024 election
49:06 History of campaign finance regulation
51:26 First Amendment originalism, Federalist 52, and Federalist 57
01:07:07 Does money actually influence election outcomes?
01:14:20 Outro
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Ep. 272: FIRE Monthly Member Webinar - May 2026
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Shouting down speakers, UCLA free speech, heckling, AI, doxxing, cancel culture, and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:40 Get your tickets to Soapbox now!
06:30 Congratulations to Will on 20 years at FIRE
07:31 How is FIRE responding to shouting down speakers?
11:33 Will FIRE include viewpoint diversity in our College Free Speech Rankings?
13:48 What is FIRE's response to UCLA Law students protesting a DHS speaker?
17:07 NYU's commencement speaker Jonathan Haidt
21:20 Is walking out on a controversial speaker protected free speech?
23:28 Is FIRE involved in Texas State University professor Tom Alter's case?
25:50 What is the scholar to attorney ratio at FIRE?
27:47 Has cancel culture on college campuses changed since Trump 2.0?
32:00 What is FIRE's stance on doxxing?
37:02 FIRE volunteer opportunities
37:33 Can the government regulate AI?
42:01 Is talk therapy speech or medical treatment? (Chiles v. Salazar)
46:02 What are the most pressing threats to online expression?
51:30 Special thanks to the Middlebury College Democrats and Republicans
53:45 What are the most challenging aspects of FIRE's work with technology and free speech?
57:10 Does accepting government money protect or restrict speech?
01:00:25 Is FIRE a reactive organization and what solutions do we offer?
01:01:41 Outro
Joining us:
Nico Perrino, executive vice president
Alisha Glennon, chief operating officer
Greg Lukianoff, president & chief executive officer
Will Creeley, legal director
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01:02:45
Ep. 271: Minecraft, censorship, and threats to press freedom with Clayton Weimers
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Editorial note: This conversation was recorded on Friday, April 24, the day before the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Both Nico and Clayton attended the event, where a gunman breached security and opened fire before being apprehended.
No one was seriously injured, but the incident serves as a reminder of the threats reporters can face in the course of their work. Since we recorded the conversation before the shooting, Nico and Clayton do not address it, but the incident underscores the stakes of their discussion.
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In 2020, Reporters Without Borders launched the Uncensored Library, a virtual archive housed inside Minecraft, the world's most popular computer game.
It preserves the work of journalists who have faced censorship, imprisonment, exile, or even death. In countries where their reporting is banned, Minecraft itself is not, making the library a digital sanctuary for suppressed journalism that millions can still access.
In March 2026, the project added a United States wing, reminding Americans that subtler, less direct threats to a free press happen everywhere – even at home.
With today's release of the 2026 World Press Freedom Index and World Press Freedom Day approaching on May 3, we're unpacking the state of press freedom with Clayton Weimers, the executive director of Reporters Without Borders USA.
Download The Uncensored Library here.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
04:41 The state of press freedom in the United States
10:51 Trump administration's threats to press freedom
14:16 Patel v. The Atlantic and actual malice
22:55 Who is to blame for distrust in media?
27:58 Viewpoint diversity in the newsroom
32:15 The modern media ecosystem
40:27 What is RSF?
47:00 Freelance and independent journalism
49:11 Clayton's background and more on Reporters Without Borders
51:25 Inside the Uncensored Library
01:01:59 Outro
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01:03:29
FIRE Reacts: Comey, Kimmel, ABC & the FCC
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We break down the legal case against James Comey over an alleged "true threat" and how far the government can go in prosecuting speech. Plus, we examine renewed FCC pressure on ABC and Jimmy Kimmel.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:57 Does the DOJ have a viable case against James Comey?
04:51 "True threats" and Comey's case
06:36 Threats against U.S. presidents and Watts v. United States
09:55 Was it a mistake for Comey to take down the "8647" seashell image?
11:18 Can the case be dismissed before it goes to trial?
12:38 Can Comey's case be considered a selective prosecution?
13:23 Is the process itself a punishment?
15:29 Could prosecutors face consequences for bringing this case?
18:07 Examples of true threats
20:35 "True threat" versus "incitement to imminent lawless action"
22:53 Is it still a "true threat" if charges come a year later?
24:32 Can Comey recover his legal fees?
25:34 Do threats become more real in the wake of other active threats?
26:32 Does the First Amendment differ for speech about the president?
30:06 What's going on with the FCC and ABC?
34:20 What do NRA v. Vullo and the FCC's calls to fire Jimmy Kimmel have in common?
35:17 Why does broadcast licensing exist in the internet age?
36:51 Have past presidents historically influenced broadcast licensing?
38:33 Is the Fairness Doctrine still in effect?
40:30 What can ABC do if the FCC takes away their licenses?
42:40 Will ABC fight back?
46:01 Has broadcast media regulation always been a frustration for 1A advocates?
49:20 Humphrey's Executor & content-based regulation
50:58 Is the FCC independent from the executive branch?
51:45 The past 18 months of FCC action
52:15 Outro
Joining us:
Conor Fitzpatrick, supervising senior attorney
Aaron Terr, director of public advocacy
Bob Corn-Revere, chief counsel
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Ep. 270: The fight for privacy and free speech in the surveillance age
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The early internet opened unprecedented avenues for speech, creativity, and connection without traditional gatekeepers.
But it also raised civil liberties questions: Do our offline freedoms exist online? And if so, how far do they extend?
Today, those questions are more urgent than ever. Advances in AI have given governments powerful new tools to track, monitor, and analyze our behavior, raising fundamental concerns about the future of free expression in the digital age.
Today we are joined by Cindy Cohn, the executive director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. She has spent thirty years as a civil liberties attorney specializing in digital rights, which she documents in her newly published memoir Privacy's Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
05:17 Why write this book now?
09:11 Does privacy make free speech possible?
14:52 Code as speech: Bernstein v. United States
33:34 The Patriot Act and government spying
51:09 National security letters and Section 702
57:57 Who is Tony Coppolino?
01:06:06 Why EFF left X
01:11:05 What's next for Cindy
01:13:56 Outro
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Ep. 269: Is free speech declining worldwide?
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Free speech has long been a cornerstone of democratic society. But today, its principles face increasing pressure.
Around the world, governments are expanding speech restrictions in the name of combating misinformation, hate speech, and extremism, while new technologies make it easier to monitor and control public discourse.
Many free speech advocates warn that these efforts risk eroding democracy itself.
Joining the show to discuss this "global free speech recession" is Jacob Mchangama, a senior fellow at FIRE and the founder and executive director of The Future of Free Speech at Vanderbilt University, and Jeff Kosseff, a senior fellow at The Future of Free Speech. Their new book is "The Future of Free Speech: Reversing the Global Decline of Democracy's Most Essential Freedom."
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:07 Why write this book?
04:40 Where free speech stands in America today
05:53 What is a "global free speech recession"?
11:22 Free speech's high point and what changed
18:56 Election misinformation, disinformation, and the role of AI
34:40 The EU's Digital Services Act and the UK's Online Safety Act
40:00 Are democracies starting to adopt more restrictive speech laws?
43:52 Solutions to reversing the free speech recession
52:25 Outro
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Ep. 268: News and misinformation in early America
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In 18th century America, news traveled slowly across the Atlantic. Newspapers reprinted secondhand reports, private letters, and unverified stories from abroad, leaving readers with multiple versions of reality.
In a world educated by an unverifiable news cycle, how did misinformation shape early American life?
To explore how news, rumor, and misrepresentation influenced the course of the American Revolution and the nation that followed, we are joined by Jordan Taylor, a historian of American history and the author of Misinformation Nation: Foreign News and the Politics of Truth in Revolutionary America.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:05 How colonists got their news
08:28 Why foreign news dominated early newspapers
17:33 How colonial newspapers verified information
22:32 Did miscommunication help spark the Revolution?
29:57 The XYZ Affair and the Sedition Act
39:21 The First Amendment's original meaning
44:34 Current day parallels
55:41 Outro
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Ep. 267: Social media = cigarettes?
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In March, juries in California and New Mexico delivered seminal verdicts holding Meta and YouTube liable for failing to protect young users from harm.
Both verdicts found that the companies were negligent in the design or operation of their platforms and that each company knew their platforms could be dangerous when used by a minor.
The courts found that the design elements of the platforms could be separated from the content hosted on the platforms, thus removing the need to consider the First Amendment or Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
Joining us to break down the rulings and their possible free speech implications is Mike Masnick, CEO & founder of Techdirt & the Copia Institute.
Masnick is the author of "Everyone Cheering The Social Media Addiction Verdicts Against Meta Should Understand What They're Actually Cheering For."
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:29 Why these verdicts scare the hell out of Mike
10:34 Are social media algorithms "addictive"?
21:45 Did Meta fail to protect kids?
30:37 The First Amendment and Section 230
43:13 Is social media the new Big Tobacco?
55:15 The role of parents in social media use
59:04: Outro
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