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A podcast starting conversations that aim to help us all better appreciate Goodness, Truth, and Beauty. Engaging the culture without the Culture War™. Kansas City based!
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189: Substantive Cinema | In the Mouth of Madness feat. simi.views
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"Do you read Sutter Cane?!"
We're back in your feeds with another underrated banger from one of the all time Masters of Horror™. John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness is an absolute thrill ride and since Arrow Video has released what we hear is a gorgeous new 4K we figured it was time talk about one of his best (and most slept on) movies.
We are excited to be joined by Derrick (simi.views on all the socials) for his first appearance on the show as he's beginning to really get into Carpenter's work. When we just saw him log this highly on Letterboxd we thought this was a perfect fit and we weren't wrong as this was a wonderful conversation!
On this episode we discuss:
Our journeys so far with Carpenter's work
Physical media we have been enjoying lately
The state of film scholarship in the age of social media
How JC's less is more approach to showing the overt horrors here was so effective
Sam Neill's perfect casting
The power of the film despite its memeification
How Carpenter's work feels more powerful year after year
and MORE!
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Tsukamoto Box Set
Kotoko
Cloud
The Cat
Breathe In, Bleed Out
Takeout (Tubi, sponsor the show!)
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188: Substantive Cinema | The Amusement Park feat. Dale A
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We are back! Had big plans for Spooky Season this year but health, vehicle nonsense, family, and general exhaustion at the state of things in the US had other plans. It was an absolute pleasure talking with Clark Collis about his new book Screaming and Conjuring on the last episode and to follow it up we've brought back an incredible guest and we're diving back into the work of one of the undisputed Masters of Horror™.
A few years ago we covered Romero's debut film and foundational masterpiece The Night of the Living Dead with Filmspotting's Josh Larsen. Romero's Dead movies are something we'd like to revisit sometime here at The Substance but today we're looking at a long hidden gem from early in his career that only recently became widely available, The Amusement Park.
Commissioned by The Lutheran Society of Western Pennsylvania as a PSA on the perils of aging in America (especially as a non wealthy White), Romero decided to boldly make the project his own and instead of an after school special with talking heads discussing the difficulties that our senior neighbors face, he turned in something surreal and terrifying. With minimal dialogue the film conjures up the horrors of aging in an individualistic capitalist society: steep economic cost, difficulties with transportation, not being taken seriously by the general public, red tape accessing medical care, predatory assisted living facilities, and more. It's not a fun time but it's a visceral experience and one that stirs up questions worth asking related to what we owe to our more elderly neighbors.
And we are delighted to be joined by Dale_A from the Bat & Spider podcast. Next time we have him back for something more uplifting!
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Shoutouts:
John Carpenter soundtracks
True Indie by Don Coscarelli
Bat & Spider Episode #250 Phantasm Extravaganza
One Cut of the Dead
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187: Screaming and Conjuring feat. Clark Collis
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Happy Spooky Season, all! We're kicking off our October programming this year with a bang and covering two of our favorite things: horror movies and beautiful hardcover books.
Clark Collis is a British entertainment journalist and a long time senior writer for Entertainment Weekly along with being a regular contributor to other outlets covering film. He's also a life long horror fan. Modern horror cinema is in a fascinating place and in his new book, Screaming and Conjuring, Clark charts the period of horror cinema that immediately preceeds our current time (from Scream to The Conjuring) to chart the course of how we got here and what we may expect going forward. In our conversation we cover:
The life of an entertainment journalist when that was a valued position
Clark learning about Tommy Wiseau's The Room on a day trip with Tim & Eric
The BFI library's impressive Fangoria collection
How the DVD boom was big business (and a precurser to many film podcasts)
"Is horror finished/back?"
Familiar vs Fresh in relation to horror premises
Don Coscarelli and the lovely legacy of Phantasm
Lionsgate becoming the horror powerhouse of the aughts
Meeting the real Warrens & Annabelle
and MORE!
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Buy Clark's books!
You've Got Red on You
Screaming and Conjuring
Shoutouts:
Shaun of the Dead
The Descent
Barbarian
Weapons
The Chucky series
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186: Substantive Cinema | New York, New York feat. Jim Hemphill
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Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver & Raging Bull are widely considered two of the best films of their era that were made in America. He and Robert DeNiro were a powerhouse creative team and they're still considered one of the all-time great collaborations in the history of the medium. This makes it curious that the film that they made together in between these monumental classics, 1977's New York, New York, has been largely forgotten and left out of the conversation.
We're seeking to remedy that with our episode this week and we are happy to be joined by film enthusiast and historian Jim Hemphill. Jim has loved the film since he saw as a young film student and he brings some wonderful and personal insights to the discussion.
In the episode we cover:
Why directors and actors are often poor judges of their own work
Jim's early days in LA and getting to meet folks like Samuel Fuller, Billy Wilder, Budd Boetticher, and Blake Edwards
The power of laserdiscs (and physical media in general) to develop and nurture generations of movie lovers
Marty's balance of strengths in having the talents of a classical studio director alongside the passions of an independent auteur
The fact that NYNY may be Scorsese's only film (beyond his "faith trilogy") where the protagonist experiences genuine growth
And more!
Buy New York, New York Limited Edition Blu-Ray
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Jim's IndieWire article on NYNY
Blu-ray Commentaries with Jim and his wife: The Golden Child and Navy Seals
Shoutouts:
The Smashing Machine
One Battle After Another
Dexter: Resurrection
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185: Rethinking Hell, a Spirituality of Fear, and a God of Radical Love feat. Brian Recker
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It's been a crazy week, so the show notes will be short and sweet.
Brian Recker is a public theologian, has a new book on Hell coming out at the end of the month, and I had a great time talking with him. In our conversation we cover:
Our mutual love of movies (and solo theater visits)
The extremely conservative colleges we attended
Hell as a foundational principle
Coercive, fear based spirituality
Keeping up relationships with family with whom we disagree
Progressive purity tests
Men's Fall fashion
And MORE!
We hope you enjoy the episode. If you do, tell a friend!
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Splitsville
A Rebellion of Care
Wrong Turns podcast
Grave Conversations
Andor
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184: Physical Media, Local Theater Communities, and the Future of Filmmaking feat. Jeff Rauseo
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When Netflix first expanded from being a mail order DVD/Blu-ray service to starting a streaming video service, it was revolutionary. They had top creators making movies and television series and had a wonderfully full library of titles to offer. Then Amazon Prime, Hulu, AMC+, Disney+, Paramount+, Peacock, the many variations of HBO, and more came and the selections of any single given service was severely diminished (Tubi & Kanopy, we love you! Sponsor the show 😉). With costs going up and our collective attention spans diminishing, this is not a recipe for a thriving culture. It's also not a sustainable business model.
To talk about these topics and more, we are joined today by Jeff Rauseo. Jeff is a content creator in the film community who is a passionate advocate of physical media and has written the new book Lost in the Stream: How Algorithms Redefined the Way Movies Are Made and Watched.
In our conversation we discuss:
Early memories of physical media
Video store culture (Blockbuster, etc)
Seeing Jaws at formative ages
The theatrical life of a movie now vs. when we were younger
How great dollar theaters were
Studios now making disposable content
The 2,000 some local theaters lost during COVID
How repertoire cinema and local film communities will be the way forward
And MORE!
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Andor (Disney+)
Bring Her Back
Snipe Hunter (Tyler Childers)
The Black Parade (My Chemical Romance)
Last Pod on the Left
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Arrow TMNT
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183: Courage, Community, and Challenging MAGA with Positivity feat. Britt Giger (@thebrittbee)
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This week we're talking everybody's favorite topic- local politics! But legitimately, it's something that's becoming more important by the day and actually far more fulfilling and invigorating than you may initially think.
We invited our friend Britt (many of you know her as @thebrittbee) to have this conversation with us as she's been such a great example of this since the beginning of the year. Topics covered include:
Why it's so important to be positively fighting for what we want, not merely be fighting against what we dislike
Embracing the courage it takes to let the people in your life know that you're not down with authoritarianism
The power of clubs in fostering community and personal growth
Her mantra of "Good Always Wins"
Matriarchy and the vibes we could use more of
And MORE!
Shoutouts:
Join or Die (documentary)
The Story of B by Daniel Quinn
The Phoenician Scheme
A Rebellion of Care by David Gate
South Park season 27
Weapons
The Bad Guys 2
KPop Demon Hunters
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182: Substantive Cinema | The World's End feat. Greg D.
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It's time to get annihilated! Greg D. of the Nightmare Junkhead, Nerds of Nostalgia & the Screenland podcast (and weekly host of the Friday Night Frigts horror/genre programming at the Screenland Armour theater) joins us to dive into Edgar Wright and Simon Pegg's film The World's End.
Following Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz, The World's End is the third film in what has become to be called "The Cornetto Trilogy." Like the films that come before it, it deals with themes of growing up, accepting personal responsibility, and finding one's place in relationships with others.
We talk:
History of the Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg, Nick Frost crew
Addiction and sobriety
The film's incredible script
Conformity vs. Individuality
Special effects and fight choreography
Growing up and evolving with the movies we love
and MORE!
If you enjoy our conversation, consider following the show on your podcast platform of choice and giving us a rating/review! :)
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Buy the new Vinegar Syndrome release of They Call Her Death
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Four Flies on Grey Velvet
A Lizard in a Woman's Skin
Blood and Black Lace
We Hate Movies podcast
The Movie Crypt podcast
Media Rewind podcast
Movies That Don't Suck
The Horror Pod Class
Carnage Report
Portal to Hell
28 Years Later
The Wright Stuff podcast
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181: Substantive Cinema | The Wind Will Carry Us feat. Marta Djordjevic
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A few months ago we had Marta on to discuss Abbas Kiarostami's Taste of Cherry and it was a wonderful conversation! Towards the end we talked about how it's a shame that his film The Wind Will Carry Us is hard to find and that Criterion should put it out on Blu-ray and behold, on one of the next slate of announcements there it was! When we saw that, we knew we were going to have her back to cover it and here we are.
Like many of Kiarostami's pictures, this deals with matters of life and death, the perspective of children, the beauty in the monotony of daily life, and the creative/artistic process. It's wonderful to have back in circulation and we hope you enjoy the movie (watch free in the link below) and our discussion!
Watch The Wind Will Carry Us on Google Drive link
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On the Silver Globe
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180: Feed Drop | Memories of Murder (Movies & Us feat. Philip Marinello)
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Bong Joon Ho's second feature film is a challenging watch but it's also a cinematic marvel of incredible substance. Recently, Philip joined Jen and Sarah on Movies & Us to talk about the 2003 film that Criterion calls "a haunting journey into ever-deepening darkness that begins as a black-comic satire and ends as a soul-shattering encounter with the abyss."
Enjoy!
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179: A Rebellion of Care feat. David Gate
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On the eve of the publishing of his first book of poetry, A Rebellion of Care, we are excited to welcome David Gate to The Substance for the first of what will hopefully be many wonderful conversations (listen through until the end for a teaser of what's to come!).
He's blown up on social media as loads of people resonate with his work that's centered around joy and honesty. In this episode we discuss:
His spiritual and artistic upbringing
What he's learned from being a part of various communities
Growing his audience when he went all in on his work
The incredible cover of his new book
His appreciation for the work of friends of the podcast, Stephanie Stalvey & Alissa Wilkinson
His love of movies
AND MORE!
We hope you enjoy the show and if you do, consider sharing it with the folks in your circle!
Shoutouts
James by Percival Everett
Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver
We Tell Ourselves Stories by Alissa Wilkinson
Andor
Robocop
Sinners & Sinners Soundtrack/Score
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178: Feed Drop | Cinematic Doctrine on The Texas Chain Saw Massacre feat. Philip Marinello
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Hey friends! We are back with a month of new to our feed episodes and are kicking off with a feed drop from our pals over at Cinematic Doctrine.
Earlier this year, Philip was invited on to discuss what might be the quintessential American horror film The Texas Chain Saw Massacre and it was a wonderful time. Discussion topics include:
How community and traditions shape us
The cost of industrialization
Care for the disabled
Man's brutality to one another
and more!
If you're watching along with us and logging films on Letterboxd be sure to tag your reviews "substantive cinema" so that we can read them on future shows!
Tune in next week for a new episode with poet David Gate as we discuss his soon to be released book A Rebellion of Care!
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177: Substantive Cinema | The Silence of the Lambs feat. Tyler Huckabee
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Tyler Huckabee returns to the show and the late, great Hannibal Lecter makes his Substance debut!
In 1991, Jonathan Demme shocked critics and audiences alike with his sleek, stylish, unsettling, and genuinely fantastic film The Silence of the Lambs. It went on to be the third film in cinematic history to win all 5 of the big awards come Oscar season. The film won Best Picture, Demme won Best Director, screenwriter Ted Tally won Best Screenplay, and Jodie Foster & Anthony Hopkins each won Best Actor/Actress. It was a true cultural phenomenon and in the last 30 years or so, it has lost none of its power or wonder.
We had a great time welcoming Tyler back for this one, one of his self-proclaimed all-time Top 10 films. In this episode we cover:
The technical mastery of TSotL just as a film
The power of perspective
Clarice & Hannibal's unique relationship
How the film's bold feminism is key to its strength
Buffalo Bill and his "deadly sin"
And much more!
We hope you enjoy and if you do, please consider rating/reviewing the show and sharing it with your friends!
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Shoutouts:
Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Black Bag
O Pagador de Promessas
Watchmen
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176: Authenticity, Embracing Doubt, and Championing Inclusivity feat. Rev. Joseph Yoo
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Sorry for the publishing delay! And yes, we know it says Tuesday on the intro, etc. It was a holiday weekend and things have been busy. But here we are with a new show and a WONDERFUL conversation with Episcopal priest and author, Reverend Joseph Yoo.
Joseph has grown his online platform over the years on an authenticity and decency that feels so refreshing amidst so many spiritual and religious leaders taking advantage of people or sharing a message absent of love. It's also refreshing that he's not seeking to be a "content creator" but rather just trying to share insights and thoughts with folks in order to encourage them or to help himself work things out by saying them out loud and seeing what others think.
During our conversation we cover:
His thoughts on the Star Wars prequels
His love of professional wrestling
His childhood goal of becoming a season ticket holder for a local team
The spiritual journey that lead him to becoming an Episcopal priest and planting a church in a denomination that he was new to
Why doubt is an essential part of the faithful life
How seminary helped him become affirming
And more!
Shoutouts:
The Pitt (show)
Tattoos on the Heart by Gregory Boyle
Do You Still Talk to Grandma? by Brit Barron
Freaky Tales
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175: Bonus Ep. | Panic Fest 2025 Recap!
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Hey there, film fam! Been working on this for the last few weeks in between life and our regular episodes but Panic Fest 2025 was such a great time that we wanted to highlight some of the wonderful talent from the festival as well as Screenland Armour, the fest's incredible host!
Panic Fest is a Kansas City based genre film festival that has been running for over a decade and has been recognized by a number of critical organizations as one of the best genre festivals in the world. It's a wonderful blend of feature films, short films, and events where fans and filmmakers can engage and share their love of the medium.
We hope you enjoy these conversations and snapshots from the festival and hope to see you there in person in 2026!
Guests:
Joe Lynch
Justin (Rainy Day Books)
Faith Liu
Peter Klausner
Daniel DelPurgatorio
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174: Substantive Cinema | Fruitvale Station feat. Zachary Lee
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As Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan's most recent collaboration, Sinners, is dominating the domestic and worldwide box office, we thought it would be a good time to look at their first project together, Fruitvale Station. Fruitvale is partially the telling of the tragic story of the killing of Oscar Grant in Oakland CA on New Year's Day 2009, but it's so much more. Beyond being a mere recreation of events and the conveying of the awful facts, the film is a beautiful portrait of a young man who is struggling against a system that is set against him and his own difficulties.
In addition to being a star making vehicle for Michael B. Jordan, the film features incredible performances from Melonie Diaz, Octavia Spencer, and Ariana Neal. Coogler and co. received a lot of critical praise for the film which set him up to helm massive projects like Creed and the Black Panther movies for Marvel.
Joining us for our look back is Chicago based film critic Zachary Lee who is a regular contributor to Roger Ebert, Letterboxd, Interview Magazine, Chicago Reader, Think Christian, and more. He's been someone we've wanted to have on the show for a while and he did not disappoint.
Enjoy the show and share it with a friend!
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Zach Interviews Ryan Coogler
Freaky Tales Interview
Zach & Willem Dafoe on The Legend of Ochi
Shoutouts:
Queens of Drama
The Ballad of Wallis Island
Our Revolution by Bernie Sanders
My Old Ass
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173: Substantive Cinema | Columbus feat. Jen & Sarah (Movies & Us podcast)
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Kogonada. Ever heard of him? The South Korean-born American filmmaker began to get attention for his video essays that analyzed themes and motifs from various films and television series before launching as a writer/director with the film we are covering this week, Columbus (2017).
The movie follows two people who are at a place in their lives where they need to make important decisions related to their family and their future. Jin (John Cho), the son of a renowned architect, comes to Columbus to see his father when he falls ill but is unsure how long he wants to stay and look after him. When he arrives in Columbus (Indiana) he meets and befriends Casey (Haley Lu Richardson), a young woman who is passionate about architecture but hesitant to leave Columbus to pursue her next steps because she feels compelled to stay and be there for her mother who is dealing with addiction issues. It's a beautiful film about space and structures, passion, familial responsibility, and how the relationships we have push us to be the best version of ourselves we can be.
Joining us this week are Kogonada enthusiasts and long time podcasters Jen & Sarah from the Movies & Us and TV & Us podcasts! And if you're listening on the week this drops, take a look at their feed and check out their episode this coming Wednesday with Philip where they cover Bong Joon Ho's Memories of Murder!
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Shoutouts:
Supacell (Netflix)
Caste by Isabel Wilkerson
Slow Horses (Apple TV)
Problemista
Witness in the City
The Vince Staples Show (Netflix)
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172: Pursuing Generosity, Justice, and Restoration feat. Alexis Busetti
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It's always great having a returning guest and this week we're welcoming back a friend we talked to back in 2021. Alexis Busetti is a seminary student and podcaster who we've been following and engaging with for several years. Her weekly show That Makes Total Sense!, is a wonderful listen and always has interesting and thoughtful people on.
This week, she's back to discuss what we've both learned over the last few years of making our shows, how we're preparing to love our neighbors through a socially and politically difficult time, how high control faith systems tend towards acceptance of authoritarians, being people of action, and more!
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Abbott Elementary
Parks & Rec
Severance
Where is the Friend's House?
Our Revolution by Bernie Sanders
The Sopranos
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171: April Fools' Special | Jupiter Ascending feat. Abby Olcese
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Happy April Fools Day, y'all!
Jupiter Ascending is silly and fun and we hope you join author and Kansas City film critic (The Pitch) Abby Olcese as we look at the Wachowskis's ambitious original science fiction fantasy film, Jupiter Ascending.
Starring: Mila Kunis, Mila Kunis, Eddie Redmayne, and Sean Bean.
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Death of a Unicorn
The Monkey
We Tell Ourselves Stories by Alissa Wilkinson
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170: Substantive Cinema | I Like Movies feat. Romina D'Ugo
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Last week we had a great time talking movies with our Canadian friend Marta Djordjevic, so we figured we'd keep it going and double down with another Canadian guest AND a Canadian film (and stay tuned in the post show to potentially hear Marta about this week's film)!
I Like Movies is writer/director Chandler Levack's 2022 directorial debut and it's a complete delight. It's very funny, it's sweet, it's sad, it's cringey, and it beautifully captures a period of life that everyone can relate to whether or not they are a movie lover. It's currently streaming on Kanopy & Hoopla, available to rent on your digital retailer of choice, and is also probably on DVD at your local library. Go check it out!
We are also honored to have had the film's star Romina D'Ugo join us for this conversation! In the film, Romins plays the manager of the store that the protagonist gets a job at while he's attempting to save up enough money to go film school. Over the course of the movie, they grow close and ultimately both help each other move into the next stages of life. We discuss what went into her preparation for the character, filming through Covid, taking it on the festival circuit, and more!
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The Swearing Jar
The Artist's Way
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