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Tamako Akiyama (Rikkyo University) and Markus Nornes (University of Michigan) speak about the history and state of current independent film in China.    We Talk About: Navigating government censorship oversees Foreign distribution practices and circulation A new film festival in Inner Mongolia The Bejiing International Film Festival shutdown Comparing independent filmmaking in China to the U.S.   Quotes from the Show: "This one festival got shutdown. They just cut off the electricity, so they couldn't show films. The next festival, the designer of the poster was actually Wong Wo, the guy who directed the film (A Filmless Festival) on the 2014 festival, and his poster was the picture of an electric generator. They bought a bunch of these things just in case... the thing is, that year, they also got shut down." "Writing about, discussing and programming the work of those filmmakers who are dealing with sensitive subjects, I think it's important." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Peter Horton (Thirtysomething, Grey's Anatomy) talks about his journey from musician to actor to a director and writer/producer of film and television. We Talk About Finally agreeing to act in "Thirtysomething" Writing and producing "American Odyssey" for Netflix Directing the pilot for "Grey's Anatomy" and producing the first three seasons The best kind of actors out there A new project for Cinemax set in the future Quotes from the Show “(As a director,) you can never ask for an effect because you’re just sabotaging your actor. You have to be able to say, “It feels like the stakes aren’t as high as they need to be here. Can you find a way to make the stakes higher?” So, then you’re giving it back to them, and they can give you what you need.” “I find the best actors have a real ego about what they’re doing. The they have a real take on it, too. They come in having really done their homework, having really embodied this character, so that they know them better than I do... they go deep with their work.” “There are so many great shows out there that don’t necessarily immediately suggest story. I think with the advent of serialized shows, it’s a little harder to identify that as something that obviously has legs. You can always make anything have legs if you’re a good enough writer these days.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jim Burnstein (Love and Honor, D3: The Mighty Ducks, Renaissance Man ) discusses his screenwriting career and shaping the next generation of young writers at UofM   We Talk About: Working in Hollywood while living in Michigan The journey to the first feature film production Teaching Shakespeare to soldiers and Renaissance Man The importance of re-writing your screenplay The value of talent versus the value of discipline Taking notes on your writing and giving notes to others Collaborating with a writing partner   Quotes from the Show: "The best thing about being a writer is you can write on the moon. You don't have to wait for somebody to give you a job. It only takes one great script to get you in the game." "I do not believe that you can teach talent any more than you can teach speed. A good track coach can make you faster, but he can't make you fast." "I look at the first draft like a dream. You don't know what it means. You don't know why you wrote it. That's what the process of discovery is. Why did you tell this story? What is it about it that you emotionally connected to?" "If you're playing defense as a writer, you're going to lose." "Teaching is the job that keeps me sane. Writing is a little bit of a lonely job. It's you and your imagination, and that's great, but you want to be with people. You are more fundamentally sound when you're teaching others because it makes you more aware of what you need to do." "Human beings, if nothing else, are natural storytellers and consumers." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Billy Finkelstein (NYPD Blue, Law & Order, LA Law) discusses a career in writing and producing myriad legal dramas and police procedurals for television    We Talk About: The make-up of a writers' room and what goes on in there Creating a legal drama for an international audience The difference between writing and producing (showrunning) Writing Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans for Werner Herzog Growing as a writer and learning from experience  Creating the world of a television series in the pilot Fusing music in Cop Rock and understanding conflict in a scene   Quotes from the Show: "The process of writing is where you discover, "Who is this character?" and you have ideas of who that character is, a sense of him or her, but I think sometimes that there's, in an effort to explain the thing, or sell the thing, before you write the thing, you're cut off from the actual learning curve that a writer goes through in developing a show and bringing it to life." "I don't necessarily consciously think, "What is the conflict?" but I think you get so that you just sort of know that's an intrinsic component of any kind of drama." "It's a tricky balance (writing versus producing) because you know what you want, and you're charged with coming in with that. The powers that be, they're dealing with you, and you promised a certain show." "You can rip apart a movie and you will understand why every scene is there and why it's where it is."

Ben Jacobson (United Talent Agency) discusses representing drama and comedy television writers, directors and producers and the nature of today's industry     We Talk About: Staffing season and the selling cycle Developing and branding for a network vs. cable Different kinds of working writers today Breaking in with a new voice What a pitch meeting is really like Current trends in comedy and drama Navigating and structuring deals Curating digital content and its future   Quotes from the Show: "It really comes from an idea, a book or a format or an original idea, and it's about where can it live in the purest form for that idea instead of trying to jam everything into one box or the other." "Young people grow up and they want to create something... those creative juices are now naturally gravitating towards television." "Word of mouth has become so much more important and the ability for people to watch all the episodes of a show in one day, and say, 'I watched this thing. It was great,' and if enough people say that in your Facebook newsfeed, you think to yourself, 'Okay maybe there's something to it.'"   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ben Jacobson (United Talent Agency) discusses representing drama and comedy television writers, directors and producers and the nature of today's industry     We Talk About: Staffing season and the selling cycle Developing and branding for a network vs. cable Different kinds of working writers today Breaking in with a new voice What a pitch meeting is really like Current trends in comedy and drama Navigating and structuring deals Curating digital content and its future   Quotes from the Show: "It really comes from an idea, a book or a format or an original idea, and it's about where can it live in the purest form for that idea instead of trying to jam everything into one box or the other." "Young people grow up and they want to create something... those creative juices are now naturally gravitating towards television." "Word of mouth has become so much more important and the ability for people to watch all the episodes of a show in one day, and say, 'I watched this thing. It was great,' and if enough people say that in your Facebook newsfeed, you think to yourself, 'Okay maybe there's something to it.'"  

Jack Bender (Game of Thrones, Lost, The Sopranos) discusses directing and executive producing a variety of television    We Talk About: Directing the Emmy-nominated Game of Thrones episode, "The Door."  Shooting on The Sopranos and developing Lost  The attitude behind a successful television director What it's like to work on both new and established series Communicating with actors and giving notes Prepping Stephen King's Mr. Mercedes with Brendan Gleeson Writing a children's book for adults, The Elephant in the Room   Quotes from the Show: "I'm leaving my ego at the door, and my ego is healthy, even though I vacillate between audacity and insecurity depending on the day... that's, I think, the reality of being an artist." "I always feel like you build a pyramid one block at a time, whatever you're doing." "If you're doing the work... whatever it is...if you are fully immersed in that world, which I'm in when the camera's rolling and I'm watching the actors... I'm somewhere else, and that's a wonderful place to be." "I have to be making something." "I love the idea that it's just not ever gonna be perfect, whether it's a painting of mine and a drip of paint happens I didn't expect, or an actor just does something... I just love when it's alive." 

Emily Maya Mills (Upright Citizens Brigade, Orange is the New Black, Parks and Recreation) talks about writing and performing comedy for the stage and on television   We talk about: Creating and writing her one-woman shows All about Upright Citzens Brigade and the process Her debut stand-up album, By a Thread Improvisation verus acting and memorization The evolution of comedy and gender relationships Strategy for stand-up material and telling jokes   Quotes from the show:  "I have a love for performance and acting where you can't see the threads." "I think there's a very transcendent thing that's happening when you're free of those wires... there's a zone of sorts that feels a bit like flying." "UCB teaches students, 'Here's how you find funny...'" "When things are unusual... when they tend to have a juxtaposition, they tend to have a reaction within you." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Emily Maya Mills (Upright Citizens Brigade, Orange is the New Black, Parks and Recreation) talks about writing and performing comedy for the stage and on television   We talk about: Creating and writing her one-woman shows All about Upright Citzens Brigade and the process Her debut stand-up album, By a Thread Improvisation verus acting and memorization The evolution of comedy and gender relationships Strategy for stand-up material and telling jokes   Quotes from the show:  "I have a love for performance and acting where you can't see the threads." "I think there's a very transcendent thing that's happening when you're free of those wires... there's a zone of sorts that feels a bit like flying." "UCB teaches students, 'Here's how you find funny...'" "When things are unusual... when they tend to have a juxtaposition, they tend to have a reaction within you."

Alexander Mirecki (All Together Now) & Morgan Krantz (Babysitter) talk about making indie features and creating a webseries, Neurotica, currently in its second season   We talk about: The fundamentals of making a webseries The importance of episode length Deriving stories from real life Translating ninety seconds into half an hour Shifting storytelling from season to season   Quotes from the show:  "We're building out a world where we want threads, but they can't be relationships. It's about lonliness, ultimately, the show." "We like to say (Neurotica) is like Seinfeld on acid." "Right now, you're getting a sense that the character is on the verge of psychotic, but not there, he's definitely still in the realm of neurotic." "We want (our main character) to be Mr. Bean for millenials." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Alexander Mirecki (All Together Now) & Morgan Krantz (Babysitter) talk about making indie features and creating a webseries, Neurotica, currently in its second season   We talk about: The fundamentals of making a webseries The importance of episode length Deriving stories from real life Translating ninety seconds into half an hour Shifting storytelling from season to season   Quotes from the show:  "We're building out a world where we want threads, but they can't be relationships. It's about lonliness, ultimately, the show." "We like to say (Neurotica) is like Seinfeld on acid." "Right now, you're getting a sense that the character is on the verge of psychotic, but not there, he's definitely still in the realm of neurotic." "We want (our main character) to be Mr. Bean for millenials."

Bec Smith (United Talent Agency) discusses her work as both a literary agent and an independent film agent.   We talk about: Growing up in Australia with movie maddness A background in journalism, film criticism and development at Working Title Producing and selling Animal Kingdom at Sundance What it takes for a film to break through the noise, these days How independent films get valued and how projects get made American vs. foreign filmmaking and financing Signing clients ( David Michod, James Ponsoldt, Garth Davis ) from the start   Quotes from the show: “I think it’s an exciting and interesting time for feature filmmakers, but I also think it’s more challenging than it’s ever been.” “You’ve got to have a reason for being, either in subject or in terms of the filmmaking.” “I’m a firm believer that cream rises to the top, and I find my way to the things I’m meant to find my way to.” "[A DIY filmmaker] can survive, and plenty of people do, you just have to change your lifestyle. It depends on what you're willing to get by on." "Be tough on yourself. Good isn't good enough. It has to be excellent... If you're gonna do it, just go for broke."  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bec Smith (United Talent Agency) discusses her work as both a literary agent and an independent film agent.   We talk about: Growing up in Australia with movie maddness A background in journalism, film criticism and development at Working Title Producing and selling Animal Kingdom at Sundance What it takes for a film to break through the noise, these days How independent films get valued and how projects get made American vs. foreign filmmaking and financing Signing clients ( David Michod, James Ponsoldt, Garth Davis ) from the start   Quotes from the show: “I think it’s an exciting and interesting time for feature filmmakers, but I also think it’s more challenging than it’s ever been.” “You’ve got to have a reason for being, either in subject or in terms of the filmmaking.” “I’m a firm believer that cream rises to the top, and I find my way to the things I’m meant to find my way to.” "[A DIY filmmaker] can survive, and plenty of people do, you just have to change your lifestyle. It depends on what you're willing to get by on." "Be tough on yourself. Good isn't good enough. It has to be excellent... If you're gonna do it, just go for broke." 

Stephen Nathan (Bones, Joan of Arcadia, Family Law) discusses career in executive producing sit-coms and one-hour drama series and offers a detailed look into a ten-year run on the hit comedy-procedural Bones.   We talk about: The future of consuming visual content Writing and executive producing Bones for a decade  The special 200th "Hitchcock" episode of Bones in Technicolor The evolution of two central characters  Balancing plot and character within episodes Social media fan support -- the positive and the negative Transitioning from New York and the stage to LA and a role in Bonanza  The demanding schedule of a showrunner Cross-training with playwriting   Quotes from the show: "Ten years on one show... I could have become a doctor." "There are two characters; we pick them up at one part of their lives, and then, when the series ends, you leave them in another part of their lives." "The more controversial something is-- or the more upset the audience was-- the more they talked about it, and the more people wanted to see what they were talking about." "I have felt so lucky and so fortunate to be able to do what I love, and eat because of it. I don't take that lightly." "There has to be an element of truth. That holds true for any genre, any literature... What's the ticker? What's that little piece of humanity that's the reason we watch the show?" See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Stephen Nathan (Bones, Joan of Arcadia, Family Law) discusses career in executive producing sit-coms and one-hour drama series and offers a detailed look into a ten-year run on the hit comedy-procedural Bones.   We talk about: The future of consuming visual content Writing and executive producing Bones for a decade  The special 200th "Hitchcock" episode of Bones in Technicolor The evolution of two central characters  Balancing plot and character within episodes Social media fan support -- the positive and the negative Transitioning from New York and the stage to LA and a role in Bonanza  The demanding schedule of a showrunner Cross-training with playwriting   Quotes from the show: "Ten years on one show... I could have become a doctor." "There are two characters; we pick them up at one part of their lives, and then, when the series ends, you leave them in another part of their lives." "The more controversial something is-- or the more upset the audience was-- the more they talked about it, and the more people wanted to see what they were talking about." "I have felt so lucky and so fortunate to be able to do what I love, and eat because of it. I don't take that lightly." "There has to be an element of truth. That holds true for any genre, any literature... What's the ticker? What's that little piece of humanity that's the reason we watch the show?"

Mark Stolaroff (DriverX, The House That Jack Built, Pig) discusses the ins and outs of independent feature filmmaking, his No Budget Film School workshops, and more... We talk about: Mark's popular No Budget Film School workshops at Raleigh Studios The producer-director collaboration in filmmaking The real world inspiration for "DriverX" and working with Patrick Fabian Funding and executing a DIY production Major film festivals and the hybrid distribution approach Connecting with viewers through social media campaigns Marketing strategies and finding a niche audience Casting actors to maximize foreign market value Navigating the Sci-Fi and Fantasy genres in the festival circuit Quotes from the show: “I think it’s all about performance and story, and if you can get something that looks okay, you’re golden.” "What happens in the Prius, stays in the Prius." "Your first festival makes a big difference on the festivals after that. If you get into a Sundance, your festival strategy completely changes." "I think every film has some kind of constituency... you have to find it." "We are always hopeful that our films will make their money back, especially if we've put our own money in them, but that's not the reason we're making them." 

Rick Rosenthal (Transparent, Bad Boys, Halloween II) discusses wearing multiple hats in both film and television, and the efforts of his production company, White Water Films. We talk about: Selling vs. Not Selling Scripts Bonding in Television vs. Film Producing vs. Directing in Television Working on ‘Transparent’ Script Notes and Editing for the Long Haul in Television Improvisation and Mapping Out Seasons in Television “Is this Story a Movie or a Series?” Today’s Movies and Budgets Producing vs. Directing in Film Investing in Productions and Setting Expectations Balancing Film and TV Projects Casting Big Names Building and Maintaining Relationships Quotes from the show: "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make a duck wear a saddle. I thought that sort of summed up Hollywood well for me." “Television needs… to sort of look at the way novels are structured and layered, and [how] things are set up and developed over time. Most television hasn’t been like that.” “Your role as a producer… is to make sure that the ship doesn’t hit the rocks, or at the very least, doesn’t hit the rocks under full steam. Yet, at the same time, you have to give a certain amount of creative freedom to get dangerously close to the rocks.” “Investing in the movie business is this strange combination of buying a painting and going to Las Vegas.” “If you do good work, that’s what it’s all about. It is about good work, but it’s also about understanding the advantage of having really strong personal relationships with people.” “…If you really care bout the process, then the outcome will take care of itself. Even if it doesn’t appear to be the outcome you want, you don’t know that outcome, that loss as it were, isn’t pushing you to a greater level of process.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rick Rosenthal (Transparent, Bad Boys, Halloween II) discusses wearing multiple hats in both film and television, and the efforts of his production company, White Water Films. We talk about: Selling vs. Not Selling Scripts Bonding in Television vs. Film Producing vs. Directing in Television Working on ‘Transparent’ Script Notes and Editing for the Long Haul in Television Improvisation and Mapping Out Seasons in Television “Is this Story a Movie or a Series?” Today’s Movies and Budgets Producing vs. Directing in Film Investing in Productions and Setting Expectations Balancing Film and TV Projects Casting Big Names Building and Maintaining Relationships Quotes from the show: "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make a duck wear a saddle. I thought that sort of summed up Hollywood well for me." “Television needs… to sort of look at the way novels are structured and layered, and [how] things are set up and developed over time. Most television hasn’t been like that.” “Your role as a producer… is to make sure that the ship doesn’t hit the rocks, or at the very least, doesn’t hit the rocks under full steam. Yet, at the same time, you have to give a certain amount of creative freedom to get dangerously close to the rocks.” “Investing in the movie business is this strange combination of buying a painting and going to Las Vegas.” “If you do good work, that’s what it’s all about. It is about good work, but it’s also about understanding the advantage of having really strong personal relationships with people.” “…If you really care bout the process, then the outcome will take care of itself. Even if it doesn’t appear to be the outcome you want, you don’t know that outcome, that loss as it were, isn’t pushing you to a greater level of process.”

Joe Swanberg (Drinking Buddies, Happy Christmas) discusses his new 8-episode series Easy for Netflix using the same improvisational style he developed to make his numerous indie features. We talk about: Writing, directing and producing Easy Casting over Skype Improvising vs. sticking to a script Scheduling in movies vs. TV Shooting in Chicago (as much as possible) A typical day on a Swanberg set Pitching an idea to Netflix Post-production strategies Quotes from the show: “There was no rule book for how to do a show like this.” “The characters are all coming from autobiographical places in terms of my connection to them.” “When you put out a movie, you are buying advertising, sort of like throwing rocks hoping to hit the people who might like it, and because Netflix already has that data, it puts the show at such an advantage already to find its perfect audience.” “It’s really wild to think that I made this thing with my small crew in Chicago… but the instant global audience is going to be akin to a big holiday film release.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Joe Swanberg (Drinking Buddies, Happy Christmas) discusses his new 8-episode series Easy for Netflix using the same improvisational style he developed to make his numerous indie features. We talk about: Writing, directing and producing Easy Casting over Skype Improvising vs. sticking to a script Scheduling in movies vs. TV Shooting in Chicago (as much as possible) A typical day on a Swanberg set Pitching an idea to Netflix Post-production strategies Quotes from the show: “There was no rule book for how to do a show like this.” “The characters are all coming from autobiographical places in terms of my connection to them.” “When you put out a movie, you are buying advertising, sort of like throwing rocks hoping to hit the people who might like it, and because Netflix already has that data, it puts the show at such an advantage already to find its perfect audience.” “It’s really wild to think that I made this thing with my small crew in Chicago… but the instant global audience is going to be akin to a big holiday film release.”